But, but, but the IBT local 357 has thrown all it's resources behind the idea (dream, really) that these airbus seats belong to the legacy RAH (I guess now that we are no longer part of RAH, the word "legacy" is no longer required--AWESOME!) pilots by virtue of the (soon to be worthless) IMSL. Are you honestly suggesting the RAH pilots should have to interview and earn those seats? Stop it! You are making the IBT look bad--correction, worse... if that's even possible. Can you imagine the contract these poor RAH pilots would have if their union fought this hard and spent those resources toward that end?

 

Zoo, you are quoting the representation section. There is not representation dispute and you won't have one until an authorized party petitions the NMB to reinvestigate STS. After reversal of STS then you need to be found a separate craft and class, then you can have a representation election or do whatever you feel like.

The NMB has been enjoined in the past from allowing non-representative parties to petition for single carrier, I expect they might be hesitant to allow any random group of pilots to petition for STS reinvestigation. Don't get me wrong, I think it'll happen, it'll just take a long time I suspect.

Railway Labor Executives' Ass'n v. NMB, 29 F.3d 655 (D.C.
Cir. 1994), cert. denied sub nom. National Ry. Labor Conference v. Railway Labor Executives’ Ass’n, 115 S. Ct. 1392 (1995). On remand the district court enjoined the NMB from investigating representation disputes sua sponte or at the request of a carrier and invalidated the Merger Procedures (Rail) insofar as they purported to authorize such investigations.

I think the burden for investigating the reversal of STS would naturally be higher than investigating for finding of STS. Again, I'm not sure so it would be nice to see your sources. Besides sections of the representation manual that don't deal with STS or reversal of STS.

 

Howdy Ronaldo. I am confused about the case you referenced as it could not possibly be less applicable to the situation at F9. Here is why it doesn't apply in any way F9...

Timing - the case to which you referred was originally submitted in 1991. Since that time, the NMB representation manual has been modified more than once. What was true regarding representation disputes in 1991 is no longer true in 2013.

Petitioner - even if we ignore the timing, the petitioner of the dispute was a railroad (or carrier). Carriers are NOT "parties under Section 2, Ninth" of the RLA. The one and only reason the referenced dispute was enjoined by the court was fact that a carrier submitted the dispute, not a labor organization or individual. Ironically, the NMB did in fact accept petitions from Carriers for several decades prior to the case you referenced. Regardless, F9 is not submitting the dispute. The dispute is being submitted by an authorized party in the eyes of the NMB, in accordance with the NMB Representation Manual, and most importantly in compliance with the RLA (Sec 2, Ninth).

You also have the sequence of events in the incorrect order.

[QUOTE=Ronaldo;1538253]
There is not representation dispute and you won't have one until an authorized party petitions the NMB to reinvestigate STS. After reversal of STS then you need to be found a separate craft and class, then you can have a representation election or do whatever you feel like./QUOTE]

Step 1. Authorized party petitions the NMB. This can be an individual and it will be an individual.
Step 2. NMB agrees that a dispute exists and conducts an investigation
Step 3. NMB determines a Single Transportion System exists amongst the Frontier pilots and only the Frontier pilots and orders an election.
Step 4. Showing of interest amongst the STS is required to participate on the ballot
Step 5. Election
Step 6. FAPA is determined to be Bargaining Agent for Frontier pilots.

"it is the duty of the National Mediation Board (NMB or Board) to investigate representation disputes among a carrier's employees as to who are the representatives of such employees and to certify to both parties, in writing the name or names of the individuals or organizations that have been designated and authorized to represent the employees involved in the dispute, and certify the same to the carrier."

 

But Zoo, once the election is scheduled, the Frontier pilots could vote for the IBT.

At that point Sizzlechest and Embraerpilot will probably say, "So what you're saying is, I still have a chance!!!".

 

relevant
Dumb and Dumber 'There's a Chance' - YouTube

 

That is Perfect!!!

 

In an attempt to revive this thread, I'm posting a post I read from another forum, thought it was a good one.

BP1 writes:

Why so much hate towards Bill Franke? Bill's company has done amazing things with other carriers. The team at Indigo is exceptionally professional and makes keen business decisions. Having worked with Indigo recently on a transaction, I can assure you Bill and his team know what they want, listen to the alternatives, give companies and products a chance to improve their economic impact and then Indigo executes with the best option in the marketplace.

I understand change being difficult, but in looking at Spirit, Wizz and Tiger you need not look far to see the strategy and success behind Indigo's leadership.

Did America West have issues a long time ago? Sure; what company has not? But that was a long time ago, people change, people learn and grow from their mistakes and this is not the 1980's or early 1990's. Indigo would not have the financing for this transaction if they did not know what they are doing. Comparing Lorenzo to Franke is beyond unreasonable and shows the readers of this forum how uneducated your comments really are.

I expect to see a clear and very brand oriented streamlined approach with significant investment and focus in geographically strategic regions of the country. Congratulations to the team at Frontier for a clearer future.

Reference,

Indigo Partners Fund Will Buy F9 — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

 

Keep in mind that the Spirit pilots went on strike during Franke's time there....

 

I expect to see our pay cuts and crappy benefits to continue to 2016. I also see our CBA expiring for 5 years. Franke got a hell of a deal on pilot labor costs when he bought us.

No longer can the union who will represent Frontier pilots be Management friendly!!