Sale of Frontier finalized
12-05-2013 | 05:26 PM
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I think he meant 5.9 instead of 6.9
The entirety of that post was somewhat confusing
If I had time I'd like to find CASMex for F9. Everything I'm finding quickly has it all tied together with RJET at 9+
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12-05-2013 | 07:49 PM
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RAH has contaminated or CASMs at Frontier. Lets give things time to simmer down and see how things play out.
I do agree that our costs have been way too high but I am certain they will be much lower once not affiliated with RAH. Unfortunately, our numbers will be not be readily accessible since Indigo is a privately held company.
I do agree that our costs have been way too high but I am certain they will be much lower once not affiliated with RAH. Unfortunately, our numbers will be not be readily accessible since Indigo is a privately held company.
12-05-2013 | 07:52 PM
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The CASM of NK is 6.9 , Frontiers is 6.4 range on the 319s. The spread is even bigger on the 320s. (7.4 vs. 5.6) So Frontier cannot compete with NK unless they offer flights for high yielding customers. That's why I think F9 will look like EasyJet of Europe vs. NK being similar to Ryanair.
Higher RASM= better.
Higher CASM= worse.
12-05-2013 | 10:16 PM
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12-06-2013 | 06:01 AM
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The IBT is attempting a last ditch, desperation expedited arbitration to settle this issue. F9 is currently hiring of the street and the IBT wants the positions filled via the IMSL. Unfortunately, RAH has been hiring off the street continually since the IMSL was issued. Ironically, the IBT had nothing to say about the filling of vacancies at RAH via the IMSL (even the filling of unfenced 190's and Q400's) but now, surprise surprise this is a pressing issue that requires expedited arbitration.
The IMSL has never filled a vacancy at F9 to date. We have filled vacancies one way since the IMSL was issued, F9 DOH (the IBT didn't say anything about that either).
Arbitration is apparently scheduled for late January. By then this ship won't even be a spot on the horizon.
The IMSL has never filled a vacancy at F9 to date. We have filled vacancies one way since the IMSL was issued, F9 DOH (the IBT didn't say anything about that either).
Arbitration is apparently scheduled for late January. By then this ship won't even be a spot on the horizon.
12-06-2013 | 06:35 AM
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The fence makes it look like only the old, irrelevant, former F9 SL is what is being used for upgrades. There is only one list the IMSL. If anybody at F9 had mentioned wanting to fill an un-fenced vacancy they could have spoken up about it. Nobody wanted to it seems. Good luck with a FAPA card drive and getting half of the votes required from the entire IMSL.
12-06-2013 | 06:38 AM
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The fence makes it look like only the old, irrelevant, former F9 SL is what is being used for upgrades. There is only one list the IMSL. If anybody at F9 had mentioned wanting to fill an un-fenced vacancy they could have spoken up about it. Nobody wanted to it seems. Good luck with a FAPA card drive and getting half of the votes required from the entire IMSL.
12-06-2013 | 07:34 AM
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The CASM of NK is 6.9 , Frontiers is 6.4 range on the 319s. The spread is even bigger on the 320s. (7.4 vs. 5.6) So Frontier cannot compete with NK unless they offer flights for high yielding customers. That's why I think F9 will look like EasyJet of Europe vs. NK being similar to Ryanair.
Higher RASM= better.
Higher CASM= worse.
The ancillary revenue on frontier is much lower xompared to allegiant and spirit. On the other hand, the frontier product is much morr inline with a normal carrier than spirit. Thats why i think there is going to be a higher yield for frontier product than spirit. My two cents
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