Frontier to vote on ALPA
01-01-2016, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 145busdriver
What is Frontier looking for in their hiring? I was interested but what's the new hire class makeup? Just wondering if I had a shot at trying.
01-01-2016, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 145busdriver
How about rough age or demographics they like to target? I am going to the next job fair. Is their a good source sample for resumes? Are they projecting classes for 2016?
Thanks
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Lots of hiring coming. They plan to hire over 200 pilots in 2016.
01-01-2016, 03:48 PM
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Those people coming and leaving after getting the Airbus type rating are giving you bargaining power. I understand having pride in who you work for and I encourage that, but keep the big picture in mind too.
01-02-2016, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by labbats
Those people coming and leaving after getting the Airbus type rating are giving you bargaining power. I understand having pride in who you work for and I encourage that, but keep the big picture in mind too.
+1!
The company will only "give" us a new CBA when one of several things happen:
1) Run the clock on the RLA process
2) We get tired enough of their " Winning" newsletter (yes, they actually named it that), their gloating about how profitable their new airline is and how they have the best employees in the world, and stop helping our masters by using our own cellphones, doing favors for CS etc.
3) Run out of qualified applicants / have attrition rates that overwhelm the training department or keep them from running their schedules
Notice a theme? The only way we are going to get a contract before the 2020 is if it becomes too expensive to continue with the status quo. I don't care what acronym is on the union's letterhead; that's what will bring about change.
01-02-2016, 06:42 AM
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January 1, 2016
As we welcome 2016, a year in which ALPA celebrates our 85th anniversary, it's a time to reflect on the achievements of the past year and also to renew our energy and commitment to realizing our union's vision for the piloting profession and the North American airline industry.
We never waver from our commitment to promote, defend, and advance the interests of our members in the United States and Canada. The knowledge and resources forged from eight decades of experience give us the strength and credibility to remain the most influential and respected voice in aviation and to pursue the highest standards of safety, security, and pilot assistance. The issues that drive our determination are ever-changing, and it is our strong democratic foundation that enables us to continue to adapt and respond effectively.
In 2016, many ALPA pilot groups will begin or continue the hard work of negotiating collective bargaining agreements. Every pilot group, through its leaders, will make its own choices about the course and substance of its bargaining, and each pilot group will be supported in that process by a breadth of available knowledge and unmatched expertise unique to our union. We know that as airline pilots, our strongest strategy for success lies in working in unity to advance at the bargaining table and that unity is essential not only among the members of each pilot group but in the strength of that unity across the industry. It is with this understanding that ALPA's vision to represent all airline pilots in North America is more focused than ever. Organizing is an important part of our effort to achieve improved pay, benefits, career advancement, and job security for our members and that will attract new pilots to the profession.
We'll also keep watch in the year ahead for opportunities to advance labor as a whole. In Canada, the Minister of National Revenue recently waived reporting requirements for labour organizations through 2016—an important policy reversal that ALPA called for to restore fairness and relieve an onerous administrative burden. In 2016, ALPA will keep the pressure on for the full repeal of the labour organization reporting requirements' authorizing bill. ALPA also will redouble our efforts with the new Canadian government in pushing forward our members' goals of new, science-based flight- and duty-time regulations. The precedent is set, and the scientific data is on our side. We are eager to work with the new government to put this long-overdue safety measure back on the right course.
Similarly, when Norwegian Air UK recently applied for exemption and permit authority to serve the United States, ALPA strongly urged the U.S. government to seek more information about how the business model will affect U.S. jobs and the international airline industry. Norwegian Air UK's application may well be different from that of Norwegian Air International, which is a flag-of-convenience scheme designed to undermine labor standards as well as the U.S.-EU Air Transport Agreement. Until we know for certain, we will continue to call on U.S. regulators to carefully analyze all aspects of Norwegian Air UK's application. ALPA will track carefully and act decisively in 2016 to counter any development that stands to adversely affect U.S. and Canadian airlines' ability to compete fairly in the international marketplace.
A safety issue that has made holiday season headlines was the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) announcement late last month that anyone purchasing a small unmanned aircraft system (UAS) must register at Register My UAS. While it's not included in the FAA's new rule, ALPA feels strongly that registration of UAS at the point of sale must be made mandatory. Doing so will help the FAA reinforce the responsibility associated with owning a UAS and enhance the overall safety of air transportation. ALPA will stay the course in pressing for important safety regulations, including UAS owner registration at the point of sale and a mandate that requires geo-fencing and the installation of collision-avoidance capabilities on devices that have the capability to stray into the national airspace. ALPA has filed comments in both the United States and Canada regarding the Notice for Proposed Rulemaking and Notice for Proposed Amendment, respectively, regarding small UAS, and we are calling for additional standards and guidance that must be developed to achieve the desired level of safety in the national airspace.
As the countdown begins to the March 31 expiration of the latest funding extension for the FAA, ALPA will push hard for a full reauthorization that advances aviation safety and helps implement NextGen. The FAA reauthorization process will also present a key opportunity for Congress to ensure the safety of lithium-battery shipments by air. Many passenger air carriers throughout the world have already banned the shipment of bulk lithium batteries as cargo—Congress is now in a position to make changes across the entire industry to prevent another disaster caused by shipping lithium batteries in bulk.
As the world's largest nongovernmental aviation safety organization, we will also remain steadfast in our resolve that the FAA's pilot training and qualification regulations implemented in August 2013, which stem from four fatal airline accident investigations, must remain solidly in place. Likewise, we continue to push for science-based flight- and duty-time regulations for FAR Part 121 all-cargo operations.
In a highly concerning aviation security trend, laser strikes on aircraft occurred in record number in 2015. In response, ALPA is increasing its efforts to safeguard air transportation from these dangerous and illegal attacks. We will also continue to promote a multi-layered, risk-based approach to aviation security that includes installing secondary cockpit barriers on passenger airliners and equipping all-cargo aircraft with a reinforced cockpit door.
In 2016, our union will do even more to build on decades of work to support our members in every way possible—including through ALPA's pilot assistance programs: Aeromedical, Human Intervention and Motivation Study, Critical Incident Response Program, Canadian Pilot Assistance, and Professional Standards. Dedicated to promoting the professional performance as well as the health and welfare of pilots, these programs play a critical role in our union.
For 85 years, ALPA members have supported each other to innovate, collaborate, and advance every aspect of North American aviation––yielding tremendous results for our industry and our profession. This new year presents a new opportunity for ALPA and our industry to grow and prosper. We will do our best work supported by the widest range of pilot volunteers—experienced and new, from every seat, every piece of equipment, and every background at every carrier. I invite you to make 2016 the year that you make your voice heard by getting involved in our democratic union.
Happy New Year.
Tim Canoll
Air Line Pilots Association, International
www.alpa.org
As we welcome 2016, a year in which ALPA celebrates our 85th anniversary, it's a time to reflect on the achievements of the past year and also to renew our energy and commitment to realizing our union's vision for the piloting profession and the North American airline industry.
We never waver from our commitment to promote, defend, and advance the interests of our members in the United States and Canada. The knowledge and resources forged from eight decades of experience give us the strength and credibility to remain the most influential and respected voice in aviation and to pursue the highest standards of safety, security, and pilot assistance. The issues that drive our determination are ever-changing, and it is our strong democratic foundation that enables us to continue to adapt and respond effectively.
In 2016, many ALPA pilot groups will begin or continue the hard work of negotiating collective bargaining agreements. Every pilot group, through its leaders, will make its own choices about the course and substance of its bargaining, and each pilot group will be supported in that process by a breadth of available knowledge and unmatched expertise unique to our union. We know that as airline pilots, our strongest strategy for success lies in working in unity to advance at the bargaining table and that unity is essential not only among the members of each pilot group but in the strength of that unity across the industry. It is with this understanding that ALPA's vision to represent all airline pilots in North America is more focused than ever. Organizing is an important part of our effort to achieve improved pay, benefits, career advancement, and job security for our members and that will attract new pilots to the profession.
We'll also keep watch in the year ahead for opportunities to advance labor as a whole. In Canada, the Minister of National Revenue recently waived reporting requirements for labour organizations through 2016—an important policy reversal that ALPA called for to restore fairness and relieve an onerous administrative burden. In 2016, ALPA will keep the pressure on for the full repeal of the labour organization reporting requirements' authorizing bill. ALPA also will redouble our efforts with the new Canadian government in pushing forward our members' goals of new, science-based flight- and duty-time regulations. The precedent is set, and the scientific data is on our side. We are eager to work with the new government to put this long-overdue safety measure back on the right course.
Similarly, when Norwegian Air UK recently applied for exemption and permit authority to serve the United States, ALPA strongly urged the U.S. government to seek more information about how the business model will affect U.S. jobs and the international airline industry. Norwegian Air UK's application may well be different from that of Norwegian Air International, which is a flag-of-convenience scheme designed to undermine labor standards as well as the U.S.-EU Air Transport Agreement. Until we know for certain, we will continue to call on U.S. regulators to carefully analyze all aspects of Norwegian Air UK's application. ALPA will track carefully and act decisively in 2016 to counter any development that stands to adversely affect U.S. and Canadian airlines' ability to compete fairly in the international marketplace.
A safety issue that has made holiday season headlines was the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) announcement late last month that anyone purchasing a small unmanned aircraft system (UAS) must register at Register My UAS. While it's not included in the FAA's new rule, ALPA feels strongly that registration of UAS at the point of sale must be made mandatory. Doing so will help the FAA reinforce the responsibility associated with owning a UAS and enhance the overall safety of air transportation. ALPA will stay the course in pressing for important safety regulations, including UAS owner registration at the point of sale and a mandate that requires geo-fencing and the installation of collision-avoidance capabilities on devices that have the capability to stray into the national airspace. ALPA has filed comments in both the United States and Canada regarding the Notice for Proposed Rulemaking and Notice for Proposed Amendment, respectively, regarding small UAS, and we are calling for additional standards and guidance that must be developed to achieve the desired level of safety in the national airspace.
As the countdown begins to the March 31 expiration of the latest funding extension for the FAA, ALPA will push hard for a full reauthorization that advances aviation safety and helps implement NextGen. The FAA reauthorization process will also present a key opportunity for Congress to ensure the safety of lithium-battery shipments by air. Many passenger air carriers throughout the world have already banned the shipment of bulk lithium batteries as cargo—Congress is now in a position to make changes across the entire industry to prevent another disaster caused by shipping lithium batteries in bulk.
As the world's largest nongovernmental aviation safety organization, we will also remain steadfast in our resolve that the FAA's pilot training and qualification regulations implemented in August 2013, which stem from four fatal airline accident investigations, must remain solidly in place. Likewise, we continue to push for science-based flight- and duty-time regulations for FAR Part 121 all-cargo operations.
In a highly concerning aviation security trend, laser strikes on aircraft occurred in record number in 2015. In response, ALPA is increasing its efforts to safeguard air transportation from these dangerous and illegal attacks. We will also continue to promote a multi-layered, risk-based approach to aviation security that includes installing secondary cockpit barriers on passenger airliners and equipping all-cargo aircraft with a reinforced cockpit door.
In 2016, our union will do even more to build on decades of work to support our members in every way possible—including through ALPA's pilot assistance programs: Aeromedical, Human Intervention and Motivation Study, Critical Incident Response Program, Canadian Pilot Assistance, and Professional Standards. Dedicated to promoting the professional performance as well as the health and welfare of pilots, these programs play a critical role in our union.
For 85 years, ALPA members have supported each other to innovate, collaborate, and advance every aspect of North American aviation––yielding tremendous results for our industry and our profession. This new year presents a new opportunity for ALPA and our industry to grow and prosper. We will do our best work supported by the widest range of pilot volunteers—experienced and new, from every seat, every piece of equipment, and every background at every carrier. I invite you to make 2016 the year that you make your voice heard by getting involved in our democratic union.
Happy New Year.
Tim Canoll
Air Line Pilots Association, International
www.alpa.org
01-03-2016, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
... and explain why you want a career at Frontier, you will be the person they are looking for....
Now it is true, sometimes a 'good job' is good enough, and for a variety of personal reasons, and in good company with many other F9 pilots, new and old, I'm prepared to live with whatever the outcome is here. I hope for the best, and will fight for it too. I want Frontier to be a career, maybe we can nudge it that way.
But if Frontier is truly weary of people not willing to give their lives to them, when it is clear they have no intention (at this stage) of providing them a career then reality has truly left the station. Frankly Aero, they're not that dumb!
This is business. They're not weary, they just see red ink when somebody leaves before they've paid for themselves. So they instruct their hiring board to try and filter out potential red ink. I don't blame them, and I don't take any of it personal. Again it's business.
Do you think they're shedding any tears when a Sr Captain up and quits to be replaced by you or me for 40K less a year?
I agree with F9 Driver's last post. We need to put the pie in the sky, emotion, and patriotic fervor in its proper compartment. These guys (and I'd probably do the same thing if I were in their shoes) have no intention of giving a millimeter on anything EVER! The days of smiles and handshakes, good faith, and good will are over, perhaps they are over everywhere. It's cold hard business now. We either grow up and assert ourselves within the legal framework available to us, or we get steamrolled.
I'm proud to be here. I love the new paint scheme. I'm giddy about flying my first 321. I'm happy complaints are down. I'm on board with the ULCC gamble. And I even like the new slimline seats! This is far and away the best job I've ever had.
There I said it. But what I won't do is confuse any of this with the fact that as a pilot group we are engaged in a dead serious business struggle that will require our best game face, commitment, and utter willingness to do whatever it takes legally to make Frontier a career.
If and when we become as shrewd as the company with respect to these business dealings then and only then will we have their respect, and only then will we get what we deserve. Because they're making a fortune, and they will negotiate.
It's all just business.
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Last edited by sulkair; 01-03-2016 at 08:45 AM.
01-05-2016, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sulkair
I am going to frank here: Frontier is a great job! It is not however, at this stage, a career. Believe me I've anguished internally for a long time trying to convince myself otherwise, but lying to myself will not pay for my health care or take care of me in my old age.
Now it is true, sometimes a 'good job' is good enough, and for a variety of personal reasons, and in good company with many other F9 pilots, new and old, I'm prepared to live with whatever the outcome is here. I hope for the best, and will fight for it too. I want Frontier to be a career, maybe we can nudge it that way.
But if Frontier is truly weary of people not willing to give their lives to them, when it is clear they have no intention (at this stage) of providing them a career then reality has truly left the station. Frankly Aero, they're not that dumb!
This is business. They're not weary, they just see red ink when somebody leaves before they've paid for themselves. So they instruct their hiring board to try and filter out potential red ink. I don't blame them, and I don't take any of it personal. Again it's business.
Do you think they're shedding any tears when a Sr Captain up and quits to be replaced by you or me for 40K less a year?
I agree with F9 Driver's last post. We need to put the pie in the sky, emotion, and patriotic fervor in its proper compartment. These guys (and I'd probably do the same thing if I were in their shoes) have no intention of giving a millimeter on anything EVER! The days of smiles and handshakes, good faith, and good will are over, perhaps they are over everywhere. It's cold hard business now. We either grow up and assert ourselves within the legal framework available to us, or we get steamrolled.
I'm proud to be here. I love the new paint scheme. I'm giddy about flying my first 321. I'm happy complaints are down. I'm on board with the ULCC gamble. And I even like the new slimline seats! This is far and away the best job I've ever had.
There I said it. But what I won't do is confuse any of this with the fact that as a pilot group we are engaged in a dead serious business struggle that will require our best game face, commitment, and utter willingness to do whatever it takes legally to make Frontier a career.
If and when we become as shrewd as the company with respect to these business dealings then and only then will we have their respect, and only then will we get what we deserve. Because they're making a fortune, and they will negotiate.
It's all just business.
...
Now it is true, sometimes a 'good job' is good enough, and for a variety of personal reasons, and in good company with many other F9 pilots, new and old, I'm prepared to live with whatever the outcome is here. I hope for the best, and will fight for it too. I want Frontier to be a career, maybe we can nudge it that way.
But if Frontier is truly weary of people not willing to give their lives to them, when it is clear they have no intention (at this stage) of providing them a career then reality has truly left the station. Frankly Aero, they're not that dumb!
This is business. They're not weary, they just see red ink when somebody leaves before they've paid for themselves. So they instruct their hiring board to try and filter out potential red ink. I don't blame them, and I don't take any of it personal. Again it's business.
Do you think they're shedding any tears when a Sr Captain up and quits to be replaced by you or me for 40K less a year?
I agree with F9 Driver's last post. We need to put the pie in the sky, emotion, and patriotic fervor in its proper compartment. These guys (and I'd probably do the same thing if I were in their shoes) have no intention of giving a millimeter on anything EVER! The days of smiles and handshakes, good faith, and good will are over, perhaps they are over everywhere. It's cold hard business now. We either grow up and assert ourselves within the legal framework available to us, or we get steamrolled.
I'm proud to be here. I love the new paint scheme. I'm giddy about flying my first 321. I'm happy complaints are down. I'm on board with the ULCC gamble. And I even like the new slimline seats! This is far and away the best job I've ever had.
There I said it. But what I won't do is confuse any of this with the fact that as a pilot group we are engaged in a dead serious business struggle that will require our best game face, commitment, and utter willingness to do whatever it takes legally to make Frontier a career.
If and when we become as shrewd as the company with respect to these business dealings then and only then will we have their respect, and only then will we get what we deserve. Because they're making a fortune, and they will negotiate.
It's all just business.
...
01-06-2016, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flymonkey10
Good post Sulk....sounds like you'll be voting for ALPA then. Good choice!!
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Last edited by sulkair; 01-06-2016 at 12:18 PM.
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