Official:GoJet Pathway to Spirit
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Around 55% of the legacy's flag is contracted out to "regionals". As that most excellent recent article by Patrick Smith noted, that means fewer % of pilots end up at the mainlines as in the good ol days. On the other hand, low cost carriers seem set for a lot of growth. Even mainline carriers seem to repeatedly attempt to start their own lost cost structures. Delta, for example, seems less interested in wide body overseas flying and more interested in narrow body domestic flying. Most new Delta pilots will fly the C-series based out of NYC doing shuttle type flying. (Btw, the C-series is supposed to replace Crj-700/900 routes, The 700/900s are supposed to replace 200 routes, and the 50-seaters will disappear. So that will free up a lot of Crj-200 pilots, so I don't think mainline will be too concerned about their regional feed for a couple years. But, if I was a pilot at a 50-seater airline I'd be concerned.) So, realistically, I'd think that far more pilots that want to move on from a regional will end up at a LLC than mainline. Maybe Spirit isn't everyone's first choice, but it is a realistic choice. And, most importantly, it is a CHOICE. Nobody is forcing anyone to go there. It's an option. I don't understand why anybody would ***** about having more options? Plus, my understanding is that other pathways are in the works. Maybe GoJet pilots will end up with 3 or 4 pathways to choose from? It's said that one of the downfalls of this industry is no clear pathways to move up. It's a huge financial risk to get into professional flying because it's such a crap shoot where you'll end up. Many pilots end up at one defunct regional after another. So I applaud GoJet with at least doing something in this regard. They do take an unusual interest in emphasizing that they want to help pilots to move on to bigger and better things. I've worked at several airlines and I've never seen that interest before. First I thought it was BS, but they do seem serious about that from all accounts. The devil is in the details, though. I'm curious how it all pans out. But even if it falls flat on it's face, at least it's an attempt. More than a lot of places do.
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Knowing the right people will do more than both. Everyone has a different situation. This is still good news for GoJet pilots. It is an option they didn't have before. Nobody will force them to go to Spirit. That being said, if you are at Gojet and have just logged your 1000th hour of PIC, then you are wasting time if you stay (unless you can get check airman or something like that). Once you have 1000 TPIC, you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't move to a better career opportunity. Spirit may not be your final goal, but (dare I say it?) it is better than your regional.
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Around 55% of the legacy's flag is contracted out to "regionals". As that most excellent recent article by Patrick Smith noted, that means fewer % of pilots end up at the mainlines as in the good ol days. On the other hand, low cost carriers seem set for a lot of growth. Even mainline carriers seem to repeatedly attempt to start their own lost cost structures. Delta, for example, seems less interested in wide body overseas flying and more interested in narrow body domestic flying. Most new Delta pilots will fly the C-series based out of NYC doing shuttle type flying. (Btw, the C-series is supposed to replace Crj-700/900 routes, The 700/900s are supposed to replace 200 routes, and the 50-seaters will disappear. So that will free up a lot of Crj-200 pilots, so I don't think mainline will be too concerned about their regional feed for a couple years. But, if I was a pilot at a 50-seater airline I'd be concerned.) So, realistically, I'd think that far more pilots that want to move on from a regional will end up at a LLC than mainline. Maybe Spirit isn't everyone's first choice, but it is a realistic choice. And, most importantly, it is a CHOICE. Nobody is forcing anyone to go there. It's an option. I don't understand why anybody would ***** about having more options? Plus, my understanding is that other pathways are in the works. Maybe GoJet pilots will end up with 3 or 4 pathways to choose from? It's said that one of the downfalls of this industry is no clear pathways to move up. It's a huge financial risk to get into professional flying because it's such a crap shoot where you'll end up. Many pilots end up at one defunct regional after another. So I applaud GoJet with at least doing something in this regard. They do take an unusual interest in emphasizing that they want to help pilots to move on to bigger and better things. I've worked at several airlines and I've never seen that interest before. First I thought it was BS, but they do seem serious about that from all accounts. The devil is in the details, though. I'm curious how it all pans out. But even if it falls flat on it's face, at least it's an attempt. More than a lot of places do.
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Knowing the right people will do more than both. Everyone has a different situation. This is still good news for GoJet pilots. It is an option they didn't have before. Nobody will force them to go to Spirit. That being said, if you are at Gojet and have just logged your 1000th hour of PIC, then you are wasting time if you stay (unless you can get check airman or something like that). Once you have 1000 TPIC, you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't move to a better career opportunity. Spirit may not be your final goal, but (dare I say it?) it is better than your regional.
"Didn't you know what 1st year pay was and what you were getting into?"
Yes and No
I was sold on an abundance of Preium Pay. That is not the case.
I was sold on immediately holding a line. 5 months of Reserve for me (results may very depending on Base).
$1,500/ month during Training is brutal.
I went in budgeting for $40-45,000 1st year and fell well short of that expectation.
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knowing the right people will do more than both. Everyone has a different situation. This is still good news for gojet pilots. It is an option they didn't have before. Nobody will force them to go to spirit. That being said, if you are at gojet and have just logged your 1000th hour of pic, then you are wasting time if you stay (unless you can get check airman or something like that). Once you have 1000 tpic, you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't move to a better career opportunity. Spirit may not be your final goal, but (dare i say it?) it is better than your regional.
#59
If you want to lose tens of thousands of dollars for an Airbus type (and hopefully not botching training and adding a pink slip), best of luck to you.
#60
It's mind boggling people think this way. Did you know that year 2 exist and year 10? You don't want to be that guy waiting for the legacy call 10-15 years later and still at the regional. Spirit will eventually get a raise like everybody else. The pay cut is the best guaranteed investment you can make since there is life beyond year 1 pay. I don't think you can make $200k+ at the regional.
This. Hey Fodder. Just stay at the Hulas compound w/ the other lifers who don't have any ambition. You'll fit in nicely. Before you ask, yes I worked for that crap hole regional. You can have it. Why better yourself when the bottom is good enough, right?
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