hav3atps

Would also think if there were multiple applicants who were effected by this that the FAA or a local Senator would had been notified. And if no one was to say anything then it's deserved.

Bombardier Stev

What always amazed me first about TSH is the complete disregard it had for employees. What amazed me second was the fact that pilots kept coming, even when all the airlines were hiring. Oh, they promised a 56k or 65k bonus. How many went to TSH or GJ because they were promised the bonus and how many received it?

Anyone planning to go to GoJet should ask themselves one question, "Why should I put the next 30 to 40 years of my career in jeopardy and fly for Gojet?"

Aztruck19

Well the argument can be made that every day is a risk at any aviation job volatility bottom line etc etc etc so on and so forth...that said, everyone has different levels of acceptable career risks and ways to mitigate. Theoretically, putting one’s head down and buckling down and working, driving the bus..is what we come to fly RJs for. It is a stepping stone career job and if G7 satisfies that for the people that work there and build time, then they can have happy fulfilling remainder of their careers. Point is, some people will thrive in an certain environment and others not. I suppose the goal here would be to make people a little less naive is all. But to generalize it to “why would anyone jeopardize their career” isn’t quite fair. Everyone jeopardizes their career every time we use that blue-green card with those two dead guys on it. Haha

Bombardier Stev

With respect for Aztruck's optimistic viewpoint, I believe it shows a major character trait in most of us pilots that TSH is using to their advantage. Pilots naturally are optimistic and assume we can overcome any adverse situation better than just about anything else. We will work harder, we will work longer, we will work all night, we will sleep on the street, we will do whatever it takes to get something done. So we look at TSH, which is now just Gojet, and we listen to their promises and we say to ourselves, "IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ME!" and "I WILL HOLD THEM TO THE LINE, THERE ARE LAWS AND THERE IS A UNION." Basically we ignore the reality of the situation which is that WE have no say in the equation that is going to cause you to get screwed. A FA who gets breast cancer does not choose that, she doesn't choose to get a checkride that cannot be passed within a week. It's a math equation: Cost of the cancer treatment 200k, cost to fire the person and train a replacement, 5k, cost to fight a lawsuit, 30k, settlement of lawsuit 8k, total savings 157k. And only about 1 in 4 will sue. The check airman who refused to ferry a plane with no nose wheel steering from ORD to STL in a blizzard and a 15 knot crosswind didn't choose to be in that situation. Despite your talents, best efforts, hard work and preparation, there is a good chance that the math works against you and you are terminated.

And now is worse, they want to make sure you don't leave, so they simply put something into your checkride that was not trained, usually with the FMS, and they fail you. Then they train you, 15 minutes in the sim and you are signed off. But for $100 of sim time they now have an employee who is probably not going to ever leave on his own. AND THERE WAS NOTHING THAT PILOT COULD HAVE DONE. His abilities, hard work, hours and hours of preparation all were not a part of the equation.

prt135

Is this sort of thing happening at GoJet specifically or not?

Current GoJet pilots, please give your input.

MrAviator180

I want some context. I looked at your post history, you’ve been bad mouthing GoJet since 2017. That was 4 years ago. With all due respect, I just want to know...What is your story with them? You can be as vague or as detailed as you want.

hav3atps

^^^^This^^^^^^

hav3atps

I thought it was Flight Safety that was doing the training. Is it on the type ride or some specific company 121 ride afterwards? honest question, I can't imagine FS operating like this.

GHawk

At my company it’s company sim instructors teaching on company-owned (or at least exclusively leased) sims within a Flight Safety sim center. My initial check ride was performed by an APD (Aircrew Program Designee), a company check airman that’s been given evaluation authority by the FAA. I assume this is how other airlines operate, as well.

colive10

Just so you guys know, all of the misinformation you hear on this forum is by a very select few who feel they were mistreated in some way. It is all just noise. If you prepare, study and have humility, if you come with a positive and cooperative attitude, you will be just fine. No one at this airline is out to get you. They want you to succeed and get you online. Don't listen to the noise.