gojo

It’s a head scratcher for sure. But it’s their call. I just hope that they’re able to justify their decision down the road. My biggest frustration is when people ignore this kind of a reputation and go there anyway it enables them to continue treating people poorly. Sounds like flight attendants have it the worst. And to keep going there enabling that kind of behavior is poor judgment. Remember some of your teammates might not be as lucky

GojetFires

Quote: Originally Posted by colive10 View Post
Just so you guys know, all of the misinformation you hear on this forum is by a very select few who feel they were mistreated in some way. It is all just noise. If you prepare, study and have humility, if you come with a positive and cooperative attitude, you will be just fine. No one at this airline is out to get you. They want you to succeed and get you online. Don't listen to the noise.X45polaris, you posted this on 4/19 and you started working for GoJet on 4/19.

I love how this gentleman is standing up for GoJet on the very day he starting to work there. It will be interesting to see how he feels about GoJet on his LAST day.

colive10

Just a shot in the dark here "GojetFires", "LadyJustice" and "MolineCFI" and all the other members of the fan club...did something happen "to you" at Go Jet? or mabye its just your attitude. Thank you all for proving my above point and not realizing it. To all new members of APC: Read the post history of who is posting to decide what size grain (or boulder) of salt to take their advice with.

NeverHome

I cannot speak to what anyone else has said. Also I was a waterski guy. However I can speak to the way TSH and how AXs management was.

First your base chiefs on down were typically good people trying to do their jobs to the best of their abilities. That said, above these people I struggle to find anything good to say. I personally do not believe that management was out to “screw” anyone. However, when those life challenges come up, the management would exercise the option that ONlY benefitted them. They repeatedly demonstrated that they had zero integrity. Especially when it came to safety related issues (that’s a post for another time).

Before anyone says “oh but that’s a different company, we’re talking about gojet”, you should be crystal clear about the relationship of those 2 companies. For starters, they were not only in the same building, but also had the same personnel working on both airlines. Honestly outside of the certificates we were just about the same company. And let’s not forget that everyone’s boss was RL.

I simply say all this so that those looking into the LAST TSH carrier consider their options carefully. Personally I would not fault anyone for going to G7. I get it. But do your homework and understand what you are signing up for. If that is your best fit then I think most pilots genuinely wish you the best. For myself, the time I spent at AX and under holdings was very eye opening.

gojo

I don’t know what point you think anyone is proving? If anyone is proving anything it’s you! I don’t work or have never worked for GoJet. But I’ve been in the industry since before GoJets shady inception. I have heard many many stories over a span of at least 15 years regarding GoJet and their management practices. Many from people that have worked there and got out. You discount it as people with a grudge or bad personality traits. But what I really want to know, and I’ve asked a couple of times already, is why are these stories unique to GoJet? I don’t hear of these kinds of things happening at any other regional. Even Mesa seems to have cleaned up somewhat. And I don’t recall ever hearing about creative firing at Mesa. You seem to have a very narrow scope. Maybe try looking at the whole picture

hav3atps

Let's hear about personal encounters from individuals who are currently on property. Seems simple enough.. Bantering about hearsay from others and issues that happened in the past is somewhat unproductive.

Strenyakov

Yesterday I posted links to court judgments against GoJet. I figured nobody could argue with those findings. But, it has disappeared? But, there are plenty of judgments out there for everyone to find and see for yourselves. I tried to post some for Skywest and Air Wisconsin but could not find any.

Skywest is getting 49 more planes to fly for American.

hav3atps

Show me an airline that doesn't have a judgment against them and I'll show you a flying unicorn.


https://casetext.com/case/day-v-skywest-airlines-inc
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal...016-12-21.html
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketP...Certiorari.pdf

Strenyakov

Good try Hav3ATPs but you are on the side of the debate without adequate support by the facts. We are talking about suits for the company's actions against employees, My cases were by employees that were wrongly terminated by TSH/Gojet and the employee sued and WON. Your cases are not:

Day v. Skywest is a passenger suing Skywest, not an employee

Hansen v. Skywest was a employee who sued for sexual harassment. It went to a jury trial and the jury ruled in favor of Skywest.

Hirst v. Skywest. This last case is a group of Flight Attendants who are suing claiming that the method of paying FAs using a block hour system, as all airlines do, resulted in pay below the minimum wage. I remember doing this same calculation as a pilot when I started with Gojet, it was close. Anyway, their case has has been dismissed several times in the pleading stage because they could not identify a single week where their pay divided by hours worked was below the minimum wage. The dismissals were upheld by the appellate court, Hirst petitioned for Supreme Court to heart the case and the SC denied the petition. The case is back at the pleading stage where Hirst is fighting another motion to dismiss.

On the other hand, GoJet was sued by their regional manager Cupp and Cupp was awarded about 350k in damages and atty fees. Sievers sued for termination when he took military leave. Gojet settled on the eve of the trial for an undisclosed amount and paid 170k for his attorney fees. And there are other cases they lost and paid. But TSH/Gojet, or any other company practices employment discrimination, they can still come out ahead When a company fires 5 people who have cancer or other such things that are going to require 200k each in their self insured medical plan and one sues them and it costs them 200k in legal and settlement fees, a company still comes out 800k ahead. GoJet didn't want guys taking military leave that interfered with their schedule, I bet other guard and reservists got the message. Gojet doesn't want people taking FMLA, I bet a lot of people got the message.

The system does not currently punish companies enough to stop the discrimination, the company still comes out ahead. To change companies behavior in the 21st century companies must know that their reputation will be affected by their actions and skilled employees will go elsewhere. If TSH wants to change they are free to change, but as of now they have not.

y5du

You need a better hobby man....