April 19th Class
04-28-2021, 08:28 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 164
Originally Posted by colive10
I took FMLA at GoJet when we had 2nd kid..no problems. Almost every other FO I fly with is military, they all have schedules where they have extensive time away from the airline for military duties. I have never in almost 6 years at GoJet witnessed any of the stuff you and your select few cohorts are talking about. Never had a single issue in training nor anyone I know here. I'm officially calling BS on your entire narritave. There are people at any airline who dont make it thru training, etc etc...but I consistantly fly with the same guys / gals here and none of them have had any of the experiences you are pushing. Get over whatever happened "to you", learn from it and move on.
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
04-28-2021, 08:36 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 164
Originally Posted by y5du
You need a better hobby man....
There are more cases on Law and Order than GoJet has, but for only having 3000 employees they have many more than their share.
04-28-2021, 08:38 PM
#63
Wrenching on avionics
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: sitting
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
We are all sorry that warning people about GoJet is making it harder for you to get your recruiting bonuses. You have been the biggest apologist for Gojet since you got here. It didn't happen to you so it must not happen? Or is it that you are willing to look the other way to make money recruiting? Anyone wanting to warn others about TSH and Gojet must have had problems in training right? Why don't you argue the facts and not attack the messenger?
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
04-28-2021, 08:45 PM
#64
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
We are all sorry that warning people about GoJet is making it harder for you to get your recruiting bonuses. You have been the biggest apologist for Gojet since you got here. It didn't happen to you so it must not happen? Or is it that you are willing to look the other way to make money recruiting? Anyone wanting to warn others about TSH and Gojet must have had problems in training right? Why don't you argue the facts and not attack the messenger?
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
04-29-2021, 02:12 AM
#65
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: BE-1900 Captain
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
We are all sorry that warning people about GoJet is making it harder for you to get your recruiting bonuses. You have been the biggest apologist for Gojet since you got here. It didn't happen to you so it must not happen? Or is it that you are willing to look the other way to make money recruiting? Anyone wanting to warn others about TSH and Gojet must have had problems in training right? Why don't you argue the facts and not attack the messenger?
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
I pointed to real cases that went to court and reached a conclusion, a large judgment against Gojet or TSH. The cases did not involve new hires not making it through training but were all cases where TSH companies violated the law and screwed over employees. There are also many cases where suits were filed and settled. How about Melissa Davis v. Gojet, Eastern District of Missouri? On December 1, 2013, Davis experienced extreme pain on her right side, vomiting, and passed out. She was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with an abnormal heart rhythm. On Dec 2 she had someone call her supervisor to inform them that she was hospitalized for the arrhythmia and would not make her trip on the 3rd. On December 4, 2013, while Davis was still hospitalized, GoJet terminated her employment.
Gojet plead 8 affirmative defences, hoping one might work. "Plaintiff’s action is barred by estoppel in that Plaintiff’s own failure to satisfactorily perform her job requirements and regularly show up for work caused her termination." So being in the hospital is not a reason to miss work. "All of the damages allegedly sustained by Plaintiff could have been avoided by the principles of mitigation." Basically, she could have gone to work at Kentucky Fried Chicken so there are no damages. "There was a legitimate business reason for all actions of Defendant that Plaintiff claims are in violation of the FMLA." I love this one, "BUSINESS REASON" which I see as saying that we at Gojet can violate the law because it is good business to fire someone before we have to pay her medical bills that are covered under our self insured plan.
This is what GoJet has done to its employees, and there is room for more. Lots of airlines are starting classes in May, choose wisely.
04-29-2021, 06:00 AM
#66
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Position: Captain
Posts: 90
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
We are all sorry that warning people about GoJet is making it harder for you to get your recruiting bonuses.
Me thinks someone failed out of training...
04-29-2021, 07:13 AM
#67
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 164
Originally Posted by hav3atps
In all fairness, referencing an issue from 8 years ago doesn't help your argument. Other guy says he's been there six years with no issues. Maybe things change? Just saying..
Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?
04-29-2021, 07:23 AM
#68
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
They have the same people making these decisions with the exception of one lawyer who left after Delta took their planes and went home. Having lost the Delta contract and having problems getting pilots because word is out about about these activities, I would think that TSH has cut back on this type of thing or maybe is not being so blatant about it. But there are new cases, 20-cv-696, filed in Minnesota federal court. The EEOC already ruled against Gojet on this case and now it is federal court. It's a flight attendant case but has a similar MO to what they have done with pilots.
Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?
Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?
04-29-2021, 08:53 AM
#69
Wrenching on avionics
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Position: sitting
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by Strenyakov
They have the same people making these decisions with the exception of one lawyer who left after Delta took their planes and went home. Having lost the Delta contract and having problems getting pilots because word is out about about these activities, I would think that TSH has cut back on this type of thing or maybe is not being so blatant about it. But there are new cases, 20-cv-696, filed in Minnesota federal court. The EEOC already ruled against Gojet on this case and now it is federal court. It's a flight attendant case but has a similar MO to what they have done with pilots.
Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?
Pilots are free to make their own choices of where to go and this website allows them to make a more informed decision. How many pilots have had their careers saved because TSH/GoJet now know that their actions will be examined on this website?
It doesn't matter what airlines page you look at, a few posts in and there will be someone going off about the company. And it does nothing but destroy the validity of those who are just trying to convey genuine info.
04-29-2021, 09:01 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: B-777 CA
Posts: 53
I like seeing his research and his posts. People have a right to relevant information and pointing to actual filed court cases that have gone to judgment tells people a lot.
In 1987 I was leaving the Air Force and instead of Gojet there was Continental and Eastern both run by Frank Lorenzo. Everyone in the pilot world talked badly about them. I applied to all the majors and the first 2 to offer me jobs were Continental and Eastern in Feb 88. At the interview each told me how badly they needed me right away. I went with another airline. Both Continental and Eastern put me into pools. Continental didn't call for 7 months. Eastern called me 5 days after their strike started. Basically they strung me along to have a pool of pilots available for the strike. I'm glad I had choices and I had not waited for Eastern.
For years I would look at the Wall Street journal every day, they had an index in every edition to see if a company was referenced in an article. Also USAToday, NY Times, etc. I kept an eye on every airline, or airline to be. There was a retired pilot in Los Angeles who put out a weekly or monthly paper on what was happening at every airline, Captain Nichols if memory serves. Gathering information was difficult and time consuming. It is nice to have this forum where people can become informed. There is nothing wrong with seeing varying opinions.
One thing is clear to me, if you want to know if an airline will survive, look at how they treat their employees.
In 1987 I was leaving the Air Force and instead of Gojet there was Continental and Eastern both run by Frank Lorenzo. Everyone in the pilot world talked badly about them. I applied to all the majors and the first 2 to offer me jobs were Continental and Eastern in Feb 88. At the interview each told me how badly they needed me right away. I went with another airline. Both Continental and Eastern put me into pools. Continental didn't call for 7 months. Eastern called me 5 days after their strike started. Basically they strung me along to have a pool of pilots available for the strike. I'm glad I had choices and I had not waited for Eastern.
For years I would look at the Wall Street journal every day, they had an index in every edition to see if a company was referenced in an article. Also USAToday, NY Times, etc. I kept an eye on every airline, or airline to be. There was a retired pilot in Los Angeles who put out a weekly or monthly paper on what was happening at every airline, Captain Nichols if memory serves. Gathering information was difficult and time consuming. It is nice to have this forum where people can become informed. There is nothing wrong with seeing varying opinions.
One thing is clear to me, if you want to know if an airline will survive, look at how they treat their employees.
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