GoJet Hiring???????
11-11-2008 | 02:33 PM
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Sooner or later they get tired of being Hulas's second string and come to the realization they're going to sit in the right seat for years because most of the guys in the left seat can't get jobs anywhere else.
11-11-2008 | 07:43 PM
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Absolutely we do.
When a pilot goes to GJ, they are saying that these wages are ok. This "union" full of mgmt cronies and "comparable" contract (to post 9-11 contracts) puts other pilots who are willing to do what it takes to up the quality of life in a terrible position. Why should we get a raise when that GJer is willing to work for X amount. This is especially true at TSH where the mgmt we are "negotiating" with is the same as at GJ. AND it will only be worse if they pick up 50 seaters.
When a pilot goes to GJ, they are saying that these wages are ok. This "union" full of mgmt cronies and "comparable" contract (to post 9-11 contracts) puts other pilots who are willing to do what it takes to up the quality of life in a terrible position. Why should we get a raise when that GJer is willing to work for X amount. This is especially true at TSH where the mgmt we are "negotiating" with is the same as at GJ. AND it will only be worse if they pick up 50 seaters.
11-11-2008 | 08:00 PM
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Random corp jobs, one guy was rumored to have slipeed through the cracks at UPS. Another went to fly for the ambassador of the Zulu nation. Another got a job in Nigeria. One other I heard got a job right seat of a Antonov in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Seriously, form what I know most are lifers.
11-11-2008 | 08:02 PM
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The reality of it is, our negotiating guys hear it all the time. "Why should we pay you guys xxx? Gojets will do it for way less." THAT is why we blame the pilots. They're the ones working for an airline that exists solely to lower the bar...
(This deal with them looking at CRJ-200s is a perfect example... It lets mgmt say to us "Oh? you want a raise? It'd be a shame if all that 50 seat flying went to Gojet... They have a 50 seat payscale you know. And they'll work for less than you want.")
(This deal with them looking at CRJ-200s is a perfect example... It lets mgmt say to us "Oh? you want a raise? It'd be a shame if all that 50 seat flying went to Gojet... They have a 50 seat payscale you know. And they'll work for less than you want.")
11-11-2008 | 08:06 PM
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This is what I don't understand about this whole thing. Alter ego airline and street pilots..... didn't the 2005 guys figure out this would eventually happen? Where is ALPA? Why is there a 50 seat clause in the GJ contract, I thought that was just "specifically" for if Gj and TSA merged.
11-11-2008 | 09:10 PM
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I felt it necessary to register to this forum to make a couple points. First of all, GoJet guys have been hired all over the place, Delta, Air Tran, American (recalled), Continental, Compass, Atlas, Southern, and ABX Air (Airborne Express) where I worked.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
11-11-2008 | 09:44 PM
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I felt it necessary to register to this forum to make a couple points. First of all, GoJet guys have been hired all over the place, Delta, Air Tran, American (recalled), Continental, Compass, Atlas, Southern, and ABX Air (Airborne Express) where I worked.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
Also, are you seriously going to give me the "I need to feed my family" line? If you really cared about your family, you wouldn't be getting a new FO job at GJ. You'd be getting a job at Home Depot or the like...heck, you could even make more money working at the Croc kiosk at the mall. Going from the pay at ABX to FO at GJ? I know that's not gonna pay your morgage. However, what it is going to do is lower the bar so when the economy does swing up, you and your fellow pilots are going to have stagnant or worse wages.
11-11-2008 | 09:47 PM
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I felt it necessary to register to this forum to make a couple points. First of all, GoJet guys have been hired all over the place, Delta, Air Tran, American (recalled), Continental, Compass, Atlas, Southern, and ABX Air (Airborne Express) where I worked.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
11-11-2008 | 09:49 PM
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This is what I don't understand about this whole thing. Alter ego airline and street pilots..... didn't the 2005 guys figure out this would eventually happen? I wouldn't have agreed to fly bigger planes for the same pay either. Everyone is so quick to judge that move and say "well, they should've just gotten the planes on property and then work it out later". Could you just imagine what the other UAX pilots would have thought about us lowering the bar? Where is ALPA? What do you want ALPA to do? Tell Hulas' mom that he's not being fair? This is pretty much legal stuff. Why is there a 50 seat clause in the GJ contract, I thought that was just "specifically" for if Gj and TSA merged.ALPA had nothing to do with GJ's contract and there's a 50 seat payscale in there so that Hulas can do just what he's about to do
11-11-2008 | 10:00 PM
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I felt it necessary to register to this forum to make a couple points. First of all, GoJet guys have been hired all over the place, Delta, Air Tran, American (recalled), Continental, Compass, Atlas, Southern, and ABX Air (Airborne Express) where I worked.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
After recently being furloughed from ABX Air, I have been hot on the job hunt trying to find somewhere...anywhere to work. Some of the folks posting such nasty things on this thread need to understand this: with the current state of the economy, let alone our industry, we are talking about survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. Nobody is talking about raises or improving contracts right now. It is simply survival.
At ABX we recently learned DHL (we are the domestic flight department for DHL with AStar Air Cargo) plans to pull out of the U.S. effectively putting our airline out of business. We're talking about massive job loss in southern Ohio as you may have seen on NBC and other networks. Pilots that were making between 150,000 and 400,000 bucks a year collecting unemployment!
I applaud the union at Trans States for attempting to improve the quality of life for their pilots, and I hope that they are able to survive in the face of their competition at GoJet, and everywhere else for that matter. Survive is all they can hope for at this point; nobody is getting raises this year anywhere! Having said that, I defer to my original remark, we are looking at survival in the hunter gatherer sense of the word. GoJet is one of the few places still hiring, and growing! That's about enough to sell any guy that has been out of work for a while. It is a J.O.B. and it's better than working at Wal-Mart (who isn't hiring in my hometown). Some posts I have read refer to trying to "hold the bar", and "improve quality of life", and that's reasonable enough. However, that fight is going to be pretty darn tough for a couple years until things get better. When things improve, pick up the ax and start swinging. Until then, my advice is to hunker down in a safe place and weather the storm. GoJet may just be that safe place for many many furloughed pilots given they're actually hiring and growing right now.
By the way, Nobody at the majors I know has ever heard of GoJet. Guys at Airborne certainly haven't.
However, I don't buy the "food on the table" arguement either. I can relate to the scramble to find a job but I'm making more back at the same FBO pumping fuel than I would at any regional on first year pay. I could be based at home with GJ but choose to not work there. There are plenty of ways to make money and get by that don't involve aircraft or stepping on my fellow pilot's toes. As I recall, you ABX guys weren't too happy with the whole DHL buyout and the ensuing ABX vs ASTAR fight. Now just imagine how you guys would feel if ASTAR had been created simply so you took concessions. Your contract set the bar for every airline out there for a very long time. TSA's never was anywhere near good but it's pretty hard for those guys to fight for one now that the AA flying is going away. There will be nothing keeping Hulas from putting the 50 seat stuff on the GJ certificate should the TSA pilots decide to strike. Who wins? Hulas and the few selfish individuals that justify going there for the fast upgrade or putting food on the table.
I can't believe that anybody wouldn't take a few minutes to do some research on a company before applying there. It's pretty inexcusable in this age of information. Yeah, some of it is bogus, but why do you think there are so many of us that are so vocal about this? It's bad enough that it's getting harder and harder to get a mainline job, it's even worse when there are 300 hour wonders willing to fly for an alter ego with a contract that is worse than every post-9/11 and CH.11 concessionary contract out there.
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