Originally Posted by Now where

Right...'cause ALPA is always on top of everything. Call whatever you want. Shouldn't you be comutting to Vietnam with Schreck or something?

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Yessir, you nailed my age. My 'gray' thankfully doesn't come from wrinkles just yet , but instead comes from being in this industry for 14 years, and having to claw my way up from flying skydivers, to flying air tours, to flying boxes for 3 different places because of the first 2 going under before me getting enough multi time just to get a shot at flying for a commuter.

Then, after finally getting hired by a regional, trucking through the regional ranks, upgrading, flying as a regional captain and getting hired by what I thought was going to be my final career stop. After all, at the time, it was a 55 year airline with industry-standard 737 pay, but industry-leading retirement and work rules.

But... we all know what happened afterwards... Mesa decided to do the unethical thing and come to Hawaii to put Aloha under because, after all, they "had the benefit of looking into both Aloha and Hawaiian's books" as direct quote from JO. You can attribute their ability to do that to a number of factors - their crappy contract, their pilots willing to fly for peanuts, their pilots not knowing the jumpseat etiquette and jumpseating on other airlines for company's business (the new FO's), etc.

Despite all that, you won't see me bash Mesa pilots, or work to deny them a jumpseat, or do any kind of mudslinging towards them like you guys do towards GoJet pilots, yet I could apply your same arguments against GoJet towards Mesa. To add insult to injury, JO is trying to acquire the name Aloha Airlines and use it in Hawaii. Talk about pouring salt on the wound... but again, is that somehow Mesa pilots' fault? I don't think so. Should I take my anger out on Mesa pilots? I don't think so, and this is where my 'gray' comes from - I've been around longer to know better... and this is where I share my experience with you and try to tell you hotheads that you're going about things the wrong way - you're directing your anger against the wrong people, and not only that, but you're further contributing to the chaos in our professional ranks by rash actions.

You can take my "yelling" around this board in any way you wish, and if it causes you to stop and think about what you're doing and maybe learn that rash, immature and potentially damaging actions such as jumpseat wars are not only the wrong way to accomplish anything, but further ruin things for all airline pilots, then my mission is accomplished.

See, I'm not jealous or envious of the guys/gals who were lucky enough to get hired at regionals with temporary commercial/multi/instrument ticket and an RJ transition course. Quite the opposite actually... However, it ticks me off to no end when people who got so lucky to get hired at regionals with no experience suddenly become "industry experts" and unknowingly undermine our profession through ignorant actions such as enticing or fomenting jumpseat wars or bashing other carriers through ignorant actions without seeing the whole picture.

See, where's the outcry about 'children' wearing their epaulets upside down? or about listening to iPod while walking through the terminal? or walking around with untucked and wrinkled shirts? Yet, something tells me that this kind of crowd is the most vocal one about GoJet...

See, before you can dish out anything about others, you need to start having some professional pride in what you do, and it starts with how you carry and conduct yourself in public. It starts with a starched, pressed uniform. It starts with properly worn ties. It starts with looking professional and treating others with professional pride, and looking out for one another. I shared some of my experiences, but that's where it begins.

To put it in the context of this thread, when a GoJet pilot asks for a jumpseat, why not ask that GoJet pilot to sit up front and ask him/her their story. Then maybe politely share your viewpoint in a non-confrontational manner, and leave it at that. Two things can come out of that:

1) Maybe that GoJet pilot will learn something.

2) Maybe you'll learn something.

Either way, it's a good thing, and it's a start...

So, to finally answer your question.... I am trying to work with you, even though I'm now a corporate pilot flying overseas. But I'd like to see the US airline industry return, or at least partially return to its hey-day. However, it's difficult when others, especially newbies aren't willing to look to the future, but rather are stuck in the past and can't get past it. Yet, getting past it, and working together are key to the better future of our profession, and that begins with those new early 20's FO's.

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

We can all appreciate your experience. But it doesn't really matter, just like it doesn't matter what a scab justifies. GJ is an alter ego airline, no doubt about it. Every single one of the pilots there know what they are doing but are OK with it. So it would be an insult to every single union pilot to invite them for a friendly chat in the cockpit. Just like the terrorists have no problem chopping your head off, they have no problem stepping on your back and smiling while they're doing it. How do you think it feels for us and the other regional pilots to have a lot of the group wiped out while the same owner is hiring over there? And please stop with the young 20year FO BS, it's cute. But bring a couple of old 10+ year guys at TSA to your backyard, bring the whole list and they would be more than happy to talk to you about GJ. I find it very ironic that you're an advocate for bringing back the old days of the airlines but you support this alter-ego airline. It's probably the only tangible thing that is wrong with this profession. That's why GJ exists, it's there to only lower this profession and our drive to hopefully strive for something better than being an equivalent to a bus driver.

Originally Posted by Excel

Purple,

You obviously do not know what a scab is, so do yourself a favor and keep quiet. You are a real piece of work. Never mind you comparing these guys that have taken a job this last year at GJ to scabs, you dare draw a parallel between GJ pilots and terrorists! Your posts speak for themselves, I sure hope you do not speak for your entire pilot group with that attitude. I have a couple friends that used to be captains at TSA, and I am embarrassed for them that someone like you is running your mouth with such nonsense.

There are valid reasons for why someone in your position would not favor GJ. However, by using scabs and terrorists to make a point not only makes you look pathetic, think about how it makes the pilot group who you claim to represent look. Wow buddy, grow up.

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

Oh brother.... we know GJ pilots aren't terrorists and scabs, at least not yet, don't put words in my mouth. They're working for a union busting alter ego, what word kind of resembles what they're doing? Everyone knows it but it's not politically correct to say because feelings get hurt, too bad. When all else fails, the strategy is to attack someone you don't agree with huh?

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

We can all appreciate your experience. But it doesn't really matter, just like it doesn't matter what a scab justifies. GJ is an alter ego airline, no doubt about it. Every single one of the pilots there know what they are doing but are OK with it. So it would be an insult to every single union pilot to invite them for a friendly chat in the cockpit. Just like the terrorists have no problem chopping your head off, they have no problem stepping on your back and smiling while they're doing it. How do you think it feels for us and the other regional pilots to have a lot of the group wiped out while the same owner is hiring over there? And please stop with the young 20year FO BS, it's cute. But bring a couple of old 10+ year guys at TSA to your backyard, bring the whole list and they would be more than happy to talk to you about GJ. I find it very ironic that you're an advocate for bringing back the old days of the airlines but you support this alter-ego airline. It's probably the only tangible thing that is wrong with this profession. That's why GJ exists, it's there to only lower this profession and our drive to hopefully strive for something better than being an equivalent to a bus driver.