Originally Posted by NightIP

Don't worry about it. Here's what all of these GoJet threads end up looking like in the end: YouTube - family guy - NO!! NO!! EEHH!! EEHH!

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

This is like arguing with a brick wall - doesn't get anywhere, especially considering that you don't even take into account or are willing to acknowledge differences between 2005 and 2009, first GoJet guys (TSA guys jumping ship) and 2009 hires.

Originally Posted by Copperhed51

I acknowledge the differences from 2005 to 2009. In 2005 guys weren't desperately looking for a job. In 2009 they are. The status of GoJetS has not changed in any way, shape, or form. They were an alter-ego airline then and they are an alter-ego airline now. The difference between that and the regional guys flying mainline routes is that the mainline guys voluntarily let that flying go. TSA pilots fought tooth and nail to better their lives and in turn better the life of every other regional pilot out there. While the TSA pilots were busy doing this, other pilots were gladly undermining their efforts. This continues today with TSA's current contract negotiations and with "me first" pilots still willing to go to the alter-ego airline that directly screws the TSA guys.

Are there differences from 2005 to 2009? Sure there are, but those differences lie within the minds of the people going to GoJetS, not the consequences of them going there.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

...But blaming 2008 and 2009 GoJet newhires for Trans States problems is extremely shortsighted, and pointless: the pilots are dukin' it out, while the management is laughing all the way to the bank. Unfortunately, it's proven impossible to convince some irrational hotheads to think rationally. Oh well... too bad for them.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

But blaming 2008 and 2009 GoJet newhires for Trans States problems is extremely shortsighted

Originally Posted by laserman2431

According to your definition, every regional pilot who flies a route formerly flown by a major airline pilot is a scab because he/she is working for less than union wages or on nonunion terms. In fact, you are saying that YOU are a scab.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

The difference is huge. Yet, you cannot seem to grasp it. I think GoJet is CURRENTLY about as union busting to you as Mesa Airlines was to me. It was Mesa's stated goal to put Aloha under. Here's a small sample of the flurry of news about this:

Google Finance: Mesa Air Group, Inc.

Now... this was enabled by my fellow ALPA brothers and sisters... yet, somehow I fail to blame them directly, but place the blame where it belongs - unethical management. But that's beside the point...

I can also accuse you and every other regional jet pilot of being WORSE than scabs because you're flying multimillion dollar jets for literally what I made collecting unemployment. But then again, that'd be a pure BS emotional rant just like yours is about GoJet.

Now, as for you educating me on "union jumpseats", please don't make me laugh. You're only showing your own maturity, or rather lack thereof. You're also making your fellow Trans States Airlines pilots look like a bunch of emotional whiny drama queens, and I know for a fact that's not the case - all of my friends at Trans States who are either senior captains there right now or alumni, are all upstanding individuals with whom I discussed GoJet probably before you even got into this industry. So please, do yourself a favor, stop making your fellow TSA pilots look bad. But since you brought up "union jumpseats", may I ask you what you've done for ALPA (sorry, this immature ranting of yours on all aviation message boards doesn't count)? How much have you paid in dues over the span of your career to ALPA? Have you volunteered for any ALPA work?

Now, on the other hand, I was involved and volunteered on five different committees including jumpseat committee right after 9/11 and two ALPA projects with my last 2 ALPA carriers. Now...who are you to tell me about "union jumpseat"? Easy now, don't hurt yourself...

Originally Posted by 145mule

Couldn't agree more, Copprhead.

I don't agree with anyone's decision in going to GoJet. But the ones I am most upset with are the furloughed TSA guys who turned their back and went to GoJet. Why are they still on the TSA seniority list?