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I...I..I just dont even....i mean how does someone respond to that?

Compass was a result of bankruptcy, and could have been worse. ALPA managed to keep it under the control of the NWA MEC, as a result negotiated a true flow up/flow down that helps protect jobs and cost management extra money to furlough. The interview was conducted almost identical to NWA in order to maintain quality control of the applicants. GoJet has none of these. The history of these 2 airlines are completely different. Not even comparable.

Freedom doesn't exist anymore.

Fact: Compass has better pay rates.

Fact: Compass has an overall better contract.

Fact: Compass doesn't fire as many pilots for stupid ******* as GoJet does.

As GoJet expands, the average income for regional pilots will decrease. Better paying regionals (ExpressJet/ASA) with better contracts will shrink while the lower paying GoJet with a crappy contract expands.

What do I look like, your airline history teacher? How 'bout this:

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In that case, come on in, take a look around. Maybe you and Embraego can be study-buddies?

Incorrect.Compass was created because NWA wanted to get around a scope clause in the pilot contract.NWA said they would allow a limited number of guys to fly these planes , as long as the CP would be able to flow up, but more importantly that NWA guys would be able to flow down and still have jobs in the event of a furlough situation. Fast forward, the flow is gone but Compass is still flying for Delta.

It didn't always have 'better' pay rates.


None of you mentioned freedom.

Hahaha. What a hypocrite! Every pilot knows that ALL pilots boast and brag about themselves. Excuse me while I grab my aviator glasses out of my Honda Pilot...

...Okay, I'm back. Another thing; how typical of you to be a bada$$ GoJet hater online, but your estrogen levels prevent you from speaking your mind to them in person. Go hide behind your smartphone...

Freedom was fought in court and won. Hulas ran the freedom playbook except made changes to ensure that it would not be overturned. So many people think that just because of AA scope, TSA had to create another carrier. Yes they did. But they could have used TSA pilots to staff the carrier and make one list. We had pay rates established with the company in negotiations but were later turned down by the company. The pilots tried to hold their ground and were circumvented. But things have changed at TSA for the better. Ever since the new DO took charge, the pilot - management relationship has been far better than it ever has been in the past.

And you need to go back to middle school and take some basic English classes.

And to every person who says pilots should speak their mind. There's a long history of G7 employees running to their superiors every time a TSA employee "speaks their mind" to a pilot/FA etc. Then all hell breaks loose (terminations/suspensions).

Soooooooo, I guess then the only option is to resort to e-thugging on APC? :D
How about having some class and maintaining a bit of professionalism?
I wonder how many of the whiners here on APC ever had their a$$es kicked once or twice for running their yap? Let alone suspensions and terminations... The world isn't fair. Do your job, live your life, load your gun, and hug your kids, it will all be over soon enough...

Get your facts straight before you tell people that they're incorrect. The flow up provision still exists for those hired before a certain date, which, I believe, was sometime in 9/2010. That encompasses (see what I did there?) the majority of the CP pilot group.

Most of us have shown class and professionalism by not supporting a scumbag operation like gojet.

Unbelievable. I really think that this is quite misunderstood at the new hire level. I'm sure you're bidding on the 900 flying for colgan and this flying will be at or below your 700 compensation level with way below contract level on top of that. I've heard first hand from G7 pilots say that "the writing is on that wall" personally for TSA pilots. You've definitely shown your professionalism thank you very much. BTW coming from a furloughed united pilot... I expect nothing but the best.

No, you're incorrect. You do realize I am a pre merger NWA pilot, yes? Compass was created while NWA was in bankruptcy. Bankruptcy was the leverage that Steenland had to create it. And the flow up is still intact for those who were on the property before the sale to TranStates Holdings. The Flow Down still exists as well, becuase if it's dissolved Delta management must remove 76 seaters from the DCI fleet. That was ALPA that negotiated that. And they did it in while in bankruptcy negotiations. That flow down saved pilots from bring furloughed in 2008. And I did mention Freedom. I said they don't exist anymore. Plus, most didn't think kindly of Freedom pilots when it was around.

I know I'm feeding the troll(s) here, but...
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I am hearing that Gojet is loosing it's back on the DCI flying. The business plan of bidding flying at a loss in the attempt to expand their flying, and in time, renegotiate the contract to a profitable level, has proven to be a short term boom and a long term disaster. I wouldn't be surprised to see this operation experience the same fate as that of Freedom and Mesa.

Man, pilots SUCK at using loose and lose.

I never understood why the Flow Down is still in tack but no flow UP talk about ALPA looking out for junior members. Geeezzz

Funny how I've been here since 2008 but I'm a troll...

It's not about how long you've been here, it's about the content of your posts. Your radar signature says it all:

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Are you insane? There was no Taliban in Iraq before our invasion. Saddam Hussein was a ruler, a dictator who never wanted anyone to challenge his authority, and al-Qaeda would have done just that. There was nil al-Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded and took Hussein down. Then, once the country was in shambles, the Sunnis and Shias had a power struggle, and al-Qaeda found their way into Iraq and more problems ensued. It was one of the "un-calculated" results of taking down Saddam Hussein.

In this case, the pro-union pilots huffed and puffed their chests and told Hulas to go pound sand over the 70 seat rates he offered. Now negotiations 101 tells you that in order to make demands for things, you need leverage. Otherwise, what are you really fighting with? They didn't have any leverage and told Hulas to go pound sand. Hulas said, ok, and did exactly that. Welcome GoJets, and now the world is pi$$ed. Another ALPA negotiation failure taken out on the wrong group of people....

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Hi. In. Bye.

...while continuing to work at TSA for management like HK? Irony defined.

Oh, you mean like every other airline that has had financial problems? This is 'trolling' at its finest.

That last point about gojets firing more peiple than compass is a fallacy.You have no access to eithers hr records, you can only make uninformed statements that would support your unfounded hate for gj.
As for your reply to compass; I know of a few as in literally 3 pilots at compass who hailed from freedom, so if you claim,that 'most dont think highly' of them and that even more dont think highly of gj pilots, then I think the gj pilot group as well as any other pilot group has nothing to worry about in terms of your thoughts of them and their respective careers in this industry.

Id also like to address the cool guy who witnessed some ununiformed gj pilots being douche bag's(what a cool word, with no meaning at all) in the lobby.You are what we call a little b----, as in, you didnt have the balls to go up to them to even find out if they worked for gj, and then thought it would be cooler to tell your short story on apc.You sir are a hater! We got a cyber bully on our hands.....

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