What about gojet airlines
 

Anyone know how flying would be at GoJet? Just trying to get back in the game after being furloughed from a good fractional job. I am not looking for facts about how low the pay is at regionals--just some basic facts about getting back to work. I understand they have good equipment and faster than average upgrade times.
Thanks.

If you use the "search" function, then you can see for yourself how poorly everyone thinks of it. Good Luck.

When I use the search function on any company--I see how poorly everone thinks of it. Just looking for someone that might have up to date information. Most of the forums on this site are depressing at best. I am a realistic person that wants to work in aviation and understands that there are good and bad. I have spent a few years outside the industry working in the financial field and know first hand that the grass is not always greener once you get there.

Check out Compass, good equipment, quick upgrade with the flow through and all without the drama that has and always will surround GoJet.

GoJet
 

Hey Michelle,

I will try to give you an unbiased opinion. I don´t work for GoJet but I do have furloughed friends that went there. I speak to them often about it since I am also furloughed and have an open invite from HR to interview there. GoJet is a good company. Management is squared away and treats the pilots well by regional standards. The equipment is basically new and well maintained. There is about to be a bunch of movement there because they are still growing and many of there current pilots are United furloughees that will be returning to United soon. Still many more of their pilots are furloughees from other places and anyone furloughed from an ALPA carrier did not have to resign from those positions because GOJet isn´t an ALPA carrier. So that is the good. The bad can not be understated though. While the bad reputation isn´t what it was when they first started up they are still talked about badly in the industry. My friends tell me they have never had anyone say anything to them directly. They also say they have never had an issue on a jumpseat. But I have heard that on a rare occasion there may be issues with other pilots when requesting a jump. BUT GoJet peoples are still talked about amongst pilots from other airlines. Mainly Union guys and TSA guys who are still bitter. I have not gone there because the meer fact that you have to ask what about GoJet tells me that people still have that negative conotation in their heads and I don´t want to be associated with it. The industry is openig back up. Recalls are happening. Airlines are hiring. There are and will continue to be better places to go if you have some patience.

In before the lock!

I talk crap about them and I'm neither. I do have ex-waterski friends who were royally screwed by them though. I'm not the only one, guarantee it.

Good advice.

I'm not sure it's a valid statement that you can use the search function and find generally negative opinions about any airline. Go search expressjet or ASA, probably won't find generally negative opinions and expressjet is hiring. I'm neither a union man nor a current or ex waterskier and I have NO respect for Gojetters.

Michelle,

Do you know the history behind gojet? If not, I would suggest reading some previous posts on here about why GJ was formed, what it accomplished for TSA mgmt, and how it completely screwed the TSA pilots. It will help you understand why so many people on here are negative about the airline.

Cheers!

I have seen CA's turn these guys away in STL repeatedly. The same CA's will bend over backwards to get the other OAL guys on. There is a stigma in the industry with that group and it will not go away any time soon. It's not just the "union guys" that have the issues with them.

Just out of curiosity .. Have Gojet pilots been getting hired by Delta, JB ..ect. I'm wondering because I have friends that went there a while back and I always wondered how that would play out for them career wise? Now that some of the majors are starting to hire again.

When getting a crashpad in ORD Gojet guys ask if the pad is Gojet "friendly".

They wear their ID tags backwards while walking around the airport.

They have orange bag tags that look just like mainline UALs.

I've seen a gojetter denied a UAL 757 jumpseat.

However, I think they are getting hired at the Legacy carriers because most of those guys do not understand who or what Gojet is.

They get denied jumpseats on mainline aircraft too, & not just UAL.

Fly4Michelle, don't listen to UNDguy. Things at G7 are not good, the old threads are just as valid today as when they were first written. As for Compass being a good alternative for G7, well the same guy that owns TSA and G7 now owns Compass too, so you can probably guess as to how morale is there.

I will tell you not to go to G7, but make sure you do your research first. There are a lot of valid reasons to avoid that place, and when former TSA people furloughed from UAL were offered a job there, many declined. Some times a paycheck is not worth what you will experience while trying to get it. This industry is starting to show a turn around, I will suggest that you bide your time as more airlines are starting to hire again.

Good luck in your decision.

Yea... I was referring to OAL (Offline/ other carrier) guys. I know they are on the "black" list from talking to many folks at other carriers.

I just want people to know it's not fabricated rumors. It DOES happen. I've seen it. The GoJets jumpseater wasn't welcome in the flight deck Jumpseat.

Oh the irony.


Hey can someone answer something for me? If a Gojets pilot turns his ID around, how do you know that he is Gojets? And doesn't he know that you know thus defeating the purpose?

my scabs itch. I think having to turn your i.d. around, the shame you carry around in the first place (if thats what u do). This has been talkd about enough. See other 40 threads for your answer

Air Willie, you know it is a G7 pilot by his/her uniform. The Hat brass is a Chromed version or the US airways reef, but it has a GoJet bar rather than the Airways flag, the wings are also a generic Chrome with an oval between the wings and GoJet stamped into the oval. Also their safety badge backer is yellow(I'll refrain from the yellow jokes)Trans States uses Orange for theirs.

STALKER! :D

wow, these guys got a target on their back!!

There, I fixed it fer ya! This is a much more realistic depiction of what it is actually like there. Most of it is like TSA except some parts are worse. MX is the exact same guys, so most of the time you will have multiple MELs. Upgrades are relatively non-existant. The huge difference is who you pay your dues to. At TSA and Compass, we pay our dues to a Union. For all the bad, they have your back when mgmt tries to fire you for a bogus reason. At GoJet, you'll pay your dues to a group of mgmt cronies that call themselves a union so that their pilots can say "we're union now!" In reality, you have no protection because 618 doesn't care. With all the other options out there right now and soon to be out there, you'd have to be pretty dumb to go there.

I'm an ex Waterskier and.........
 

I would strongly suggest you don't do it man. The people running TSA/Gojets are some of the most dishonest, backbiting people I have ever worked for. I'm definitely not talking about the pilots. The pilot group had some of the finest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and I did have a lot of fun there with my co-workers. The owner and the powers that be at the management level are who I had/have a problem with. There were so many instances where they would make things hard for you just because of the dynamic between labor and management. What I mean is, they would screw you just to screw you.

The maintenance (it was the same mechanics doing maintenance for both operations when I was there) was absolutely atrocious. It's not all the fault of the mechanics either. The company is run on such a shoestring that they'll just keep deferring stuff rather than taking the time/spending the money to fix things. Many, many, many times I flew airplanes with the logcan covered front and back with MEL stickers. I arrived shortly before Gojets came into being and it was heart wrenching watching growth/upgrades going to the guys that were willing to stab their former coworkers in the back by leaving TSA to go to Gojets. Management did a fantastic job breaking the will of the labor group by exploiting some wording in the contract to start Go Jets and using it to fly new business rather than grow the existing operation.

The gist of what happened was that the part of the TSA contract that dealt with scope said something to the effect of "All flying done by Trans States Airlines Inc. shall be performed by pilots on the TSA seniority list" Management had agreed to this contract granting us the right to any new flying that was acquired by the company in the future. Management figured out a way to renege on the agreement they had made by forming an entity called Trans States Holdings separate from Trans States Airlines. They could have called the new holding company anything else, but I think they called it Trans States Holdings to subtly thumb their nose at the pilot group and show us how unimportant we really were and that they could run the airline without us. Shortly after all this happened, furloughs from Trans States began. The first round was something like 30 guys. A few months later, they announced that they were furloughing like 60 more for a total of around 90 effective 2 weeks from the date of the announcement. Two weeks rolls around and the 60 additional guys take their furlough. Almost all of them got jobs at better places like Skywest, Expressjet, Chautauqua etc. before they ever actually hit the street from TSA. No exaggeration, 2 days after the furloughs, we were desperately short of pilots. They were junior manning everything in sight, management pilots were out covering trips, trips were being cancelled. After about 2 weeks of this, the company recalled all the furloughed pilots. Out of 90 or so pilots, 7 came back. That's not a typo. 7 pilots. I laughed my head off when this happened because their poor treatment of their employees actually cost them for once. Shortly after this, I elected to leave TSA and start all over for $19 an hour at Skywest because things just got worse and worse the longer I stuck around at TSA. I was willing to stick it out and suffer to build the time, but I eventually realized that any more time I invested in that place was likely to be for nothing. Quitting that job was one of the most satisfying experiences in my life so far.

When I arrived at Skywest, I was treated far more humanely. Although Skywest was still soul sucking in a way just because of the low pay, I no longer had contempt for my employer and could actually do my job in relative peace.

While I am an ex Waterskier, and feel that I was mistreated and betrayed by people that should have known better, I think I am pretty far from bitter. I have led a charmed life since I left that place and I fly right seat at mainline Continental, so I don't have anything to be bitter about. Looking back, I can't believe what I tolerated from that place and quitting was the best decision I ever made. The worst decision I made was not listening to the guys that had been there a few years telling me in the first week of new hire class to leave immediately. I just saw them as bitter and elected to forge ahead and make things work.

In summation, don't go to Go Jets because it's very existence is a cancer on the industry and I feel that people continuing to feed the machine is disgraceful to the profession. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I feel like the other bottom feeder regionals are much more ethically sound places to work than Go Jets. You're an adult and can do what you want, but if you don't listen to those warning you, your punishment is that you have to work at GoJets (for uncle Hulie). If you go there, you'll see what I mean.

How can you be a mod and spread such flamebait? You've really payed that much attention to know that a "GoJets" pilot was unwelcome on a jumpseat however, not payed enough attention to know that THE NAME OF THE AIRLINE IS "GOJET" Isn't this forum about spreading knowledge?

It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......

Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.

And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, Air Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.

Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.


To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.

itll always be gojets

I have, and still do!

Very well said.

All of this talk of denied jumpseats, ID's turned around, GoJet pilots not getting hired at majors, being shunned on hotel vans etc. is all complete BS coming from message board drama queens. Knowing 2 GJ pilots/ATA refugees that commute all of the time, these things simply do not happen. That's the reality.

There is exactly zero ethical difference between working at GoJet and any other regional airline. Sure, their initial cadre of pilots were questionable because they signed on to circumvent TSA's seniority. However, that is long past.

For you regional pilots condemning GJ, remember what they say about people in glass houses.

Yeah, I'm sure you do.:rolleyes:

So it comes down to two opposing stories.

One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.

It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.

I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.

USMCFLYR

The fact remains that no other regional acts as such a lightning rod for heated discussions both here and on aviation forums everywhere as GoJet. That alone should tell you something.

Yes to both of these.

First of all, what I posted ISN'T flame bait. I'm sharing what I know to be true. I saw it with MY OWN eyes. Take a look at my avatar. I have no beef in the TSA/GoJet battle. I never said it happens ALL THE TIME, but it DOES happen.

Secondly, pardon my little GoJets.....oops....GoJet mistake. Make sure you never call it Delta Airlines. It's Delta Air Lines. :rolleyes:

Didn't the CEO of TransStates, and therefore GoJet, threaten to liquidate TransStates if they got released by the mediator overseeing their contract arbitration? A contract that has been under negotiations now for several years?

I guess if that CEO foes through with that threat, he will likely be whipsawing (again) the GoJet pilots against the TransStates pilots as I imagine that is where all the old TransStates airplanes will go. Do you want to work for a guy like that if there are other options available?

Is there a legitimate reason why the GoJets crews have their own little closet (crew room) in ORD?

As opposed to the shared one, that includes TSA pilots? I have a hard time accepting that it's because "their management cares about them". I have ZERO qualms accepting that it's to prevent conflicts caused by the animosity between the TSA, as well as other crews.

Again, you guys would bi^tch if your ice cream was too cold. Why don't you do YOUR job and quit worrying about everyone else's.

This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.

Let's see, looks like you fly a CRJ for a UAL carrier, care to share which one?

What does it even matter? I've met people all over this industry (UAL, CAL, Southwest, SkyWest, Republic, ASA, Shuttle, XJT, even TSA) that could care less about GoJet. I'm sorry to say, but you and your flamebait buddies are 1%'ers.

All regional pilots want more money, I know. But to most of us, being at a regional is not a career company, it's a stepping stone. So why are you and your buddies wasting so much of your time screaming and yelling at everyone when we all know the day you get hired at a major (or your flying job of choice), you will care less about the bickering regional pilots.

IMHO, the difference is that those of us that look at the reality of the situation have no dramatic agenda (and no, I don't work/never have worked for GoJet). Whereas the folks that make up and/or perpetuate tales of proverbial blacklisting has the agenda of generating fervor for the purpose of spin and drama. It makes for more interesting message board reading. It's just the nature of online forums. It's not unlike, i.e. Fox News with their philosophy of generating spin at the expense of truth to bolster ratings.

Zapata -

I'll agree with the agenda part, but you were saying that those things DON'T happen, and I'm just not sure that they don't is any more an accurate portrayal of facts than saying they ALWAYS happen.

The 'defenders' you will often notice seem to come from the same place in the majority - those that you would EXPECT to defend; and there have been detractors from the ranks too.
I have no more reason to believe you that those situations don't occur and more often than I do the many others on this board who say they do.

Remember what size we are talking about here as a portion of the population. The small population overall that frequents internet message boards (demographic on top of that), and then the percentage within the forums who voice their opinions one way or another regarding this particular airline (even smaller still and often the same posters over and over again).

As for Fox news spinning things; that is a matter of opinion and seems to be directly related to political leanings which need to go no further on this post/forum. If you think spin is one-sided then there is no help. :confused:

USMCFLYR

So go somewhere else?

No one is forcing you to post here.