ok...its a message board. its here specifically for "water cooler rumors" and the opinions of professional pilots or as you call it..."crap" if you want hard objective information may i suggest wikipedia.org?

Having first hand experience with TSH my advice is to stay away from any company under the ownership of TSH, Compass included. If you want details you can PM me. Skywest is hiring and so is Eagle. Unless Gojet hires you into the left seat as a direct hire, I wouldn't subject myself to working conditions at a TSH company for the elusive "quick upgrade" that can stretch out even beyond the current FO pay scale. I'm telling you this because I made the mistake of chasing a quick upgrade, and if I had the chance to do it all over again I would place quality of life and pay above the left seat mirage which repeatedly claims its victims in the regional airline desert. The accuracy of the jumpseat drama we read so much about, in my opinion, is irrelevant... the mere pay and working conditions should be enough to consider any TSH airline a last resort. Unless you've already been turned down by Skywest, Eagle, and just about every other regional out there... I would seriously reconsider.

Fair enough, so I'll rephrase. It does not happen to anywhere near the degree to which it is portrayed here or on the other site.

It also seems that your inclined to place equal credence to either camp for equality's sake. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. To me, such an approach is unrealistic. No need to for feelgoodness (if you will) by trying to keep everyone happy. IMHO, this issue on internet forums is well skewed to the side of those exaggerating the proverbial blacklisting.

As for my Fox News example, that is just what it was....an example. That is what is usually meant by "i.e." No injection of political leanings exists when it is an example. Or, perhaps there would be a better element of feelgood if I would have made an equitable example by including another television news network just for equality's sake. I only mentioned Fox because it is the best example, IMHO. Again, no expression of politics. To make everyone happy? Sorry, not my style.

BTW; I didn't ask for help, nor do I need it.

Yeah right. Anonymous message board opinions are always infallible because they're always posted by professional pilots that are immune to anonymity and immaturity. :rolleyes:

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This would probably be an accurate statement.

Nope. No feelgoodness here. I'm an outside observer here in this debate and I don't have a dog in the fight. I do think about the others who come onto APC to read the opinions and the ones who make career decisions based on what they read - for good AND bad.

Why should I NOT place equal credence Zapata. I don't know you any better than I know any of the others who have an opposite view. Like I said in my INITIAL post. The truth probably lies somewhere inbetween.

No need to soapbox your political leanings in either direction.
You have been on this forum long enough to know thsat there are certain subjects (buzzwords included) that can start a thread down the wrong road. As a moderator, I do my best to try and steer threads from those zones which may lead to Reminders, Infractions, or a thread being closed.
Don't take it for more than it was. A 'friendly' rudder steer. That is my style ;)

Not really sure what HELP you think I am trying to give. I'm interjecting a little viewpoint from a casual observer. That is what message boards are for :), and for those others reading this posts to take on board and make up there own minds. One way or another.

USMCFLYR

Roger that!

Perhaps I took this too literally. My mistake.

Yes. It was a general comment. Not you specific.

In this case, ANYONE thinking that one media outlet is spin-free more than the other OR one's particular opinion of a certain airline or management company is good or bad are opinions that are strongly held. I doubt there is much help in trying to change those opinions.

I'm not sure in the time I've been on this forum if I have EVER seen someone who was entrenched in one idea or the other EVER change their mind! :eek: We sure try hard though :)

USMCFLYR

No guaranteed flow through for people hired after Aug. 2010

I merely pointed out a pertinent fact which you weren't exactly forthcoming about yourself. Sorry but that's not flamebait. And believe it or not, I'm not some isolated individual who exists in a bubble. I'm based in ORD too and I talk to people there who don't even know this message board exists. They do however know about GoJet and the highly questionable environment under which it was created, it's no secret. Go ahead and try to paint me as being a massive minority. You're only kidding yourself. As it is it appears that you're the one trying to justify things. My question would be... if there's nothing wrong with your company, why would you have to? Do you really think people just spontaneously hate the place for no reason??

I worked at GoJet for over four years. The maintenance was/is horrible. I also have flown a/c with multiple (i.e. 6,7,8,9,10 +) M.E.L.'s. The management there is typical Trans States operation. HORRIBLE!!

I chuckle at these "high & mightly" TSA pilots puffing out there chest screaming & yelling about the pilots at GoJet when it was THEIR OWN PILOTS who initially jumped over to help get G7 off the ground. (insert glass houses comment here)

I wouldn't advise going there but you can make up your own mind. I commuted for over four years on many different airlines and NEVER once was denied a ride because I worked for G7. NEVER!! Like I said, you're and adult. You make the decision.

My brother, UAL furloguhee, has flown for GoJet for over a couple of years and commutes offline on a regular basis. He has never had a problem getting a jumpseat or experienced any form of shunning from pilots from other airlines.

UAL got the nod because they were replaced by GJ.
Personally, I would never work for Lorenzo or any other s*c*a*b organization - there are better paying non aviation jobs where you can maintain your scruples. If that is not an issue for you then you must be inquiring for other reasons.

Wait...so let me get this straight. You were able to get a job AFTER GoJet and you weren't blacklisted. But I thought....

As I imagine with most people, his furlough status isn't discussed when he gets a jumpseat.

I'm not inquiring about anything, just chiming in with a fact.

Shocker, I know. But yes I did. A good job with a great company.

Congrats. :)

honestly I was not replying to your post - only to justify a UAL furloughee working there. the "you" was collective in that one must look to their own reasons for going to GJ.
iow it was an indefinite 2nd person - a colloquial use that would have been redlined in English composition. I should have used the third person "one" to avoid confusion.

I still find the whole thing ridiculous, and I find it sad that people are so focused on a pimple when the rest of the body is bleeding.

GoJet, along with Skywest, ASA, Compass, TSA, Mesa and others, are CONTRACT carriers. They do not own their flying. Their flying has been determined by the mainline carrier at the cost of mainline pilots' jobs. Let's not forget the whole fee-for-departure scheme that allowed some contract airlines to use some CRJ's and put a true career airline out of business through shady illegal practices... but hey, they're ALPA brothers, right? Oh yeah right... Mesa sucks. :rolleyes:

Regional pilots and that mentality, in my opinion, are the cancer. Look around the developed world - your brand new regional pilot doesn't qualify for food stamps elsewhere.. but here, if you have family, congratulations... by accepting employment with <insert any US regional airline> you just qualified for government cheese.

But hey, let's ignore all that and start bashing another contract airline... All I can say is... pot meet kettle.

I say good on GoJet for having taken as many furloughees from places like ATA, UAL, Midwest, etc. It might be a crappy operation, but it allowed people from real airlines to find some sanctuary after being thrown on the street.

Very nice post, got me all teary eyed, but you missed the real problem. If places like go jet and other regioal operators, with pilots willing to fly for peanuts, didn't exist then the flying wouldn't be outsourced and mainline pilots wouldn't need a sanctuary after being thrown to the street.

Personally, after being thrown to the gutter, I couldn't bring myself to consider going to go jet under jet for jobs because I would only be outsourcing myself. I even turned down the Skywest jet for job when offered because it just wasn't worth it to me. At this point in life I'm just not willing to give any more back to the career, it has taken enough already with very little in return.

The real solution is to return all flying to mainline, and have leaders run the company not bean counters. Bean counters are never able to look at the intangeble costs and benifits of actions and often leave a path of devestation after thier departure for someone else to clean up.

GoJet-caution
 

GoJet-be prepared to keep your mouth shut, don't ask questions, and do what you are told. The Chief Pilot is a real piece of work.

:D Don't hold back AFANGUAG7K4, tell us what you really think.

dont forget the flight manager and direc of ops.

Yes he is. His medical should be pulled in my opinion due to being severely bi-polar.
All around it's a horrible place to be and I don't miss it. Thanks God THAT chapter in my life is closed. I do feel for the folks still stuck there except for the Hulas lifers who will never leave. I still shake my head at the lifers who obviously have zero ambition in life. This includes the folks on the TSA side as well. How one can go through that many years working for that horrible company is beyond me. Oh well, everyone has their own goals in life I guess. Mine are just a lot higher than retiring from Hulas Inc.

Anybody out there going to the cattle round up in CVG?

I love it, everyone is ripping GOJET apart, then this quote

Ummmmmm..... NO!!

Let me add some of these :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:. The bi-polar CP does sound tempting, just for the entertainment value. But I am going to pass.

Does anyone know how many delta connection CRJ7s are on GoJet property currently? I've heard something like two of the expected 12 but not sure if this is correct.

Necro posting GoJet threads. Too good to be true.

In before the lock!!;)

I can believe there's any threads that have actually died out without being locked. I'm guessing maybe they can't find the high quality pilots that they demand over there. Nothing but the best will do for them.

Once upon a time, three months ago, there was a GoJet thread that was able to be forgotten about without being shutdown by the Moderators. And then there was a poster named Systemized who necromanced it back to Page 1 of the Regional forum. Little did he know, no GoJet thread has ever survived a resurrection and he has surely doomed this thread to be chained and shackled with the padlock that is known as "Closed."

Moral to the story: IBTL :D

P.S. Anyone wanna take bets on the Mod who does the deed? I got 2:1 odds on Diver Driver. 4:1 on vagabond. 9:1 on USMCFLYR.

$20 on Diver! HIT ME!


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Ahahaha! That post gave me a good laugh! Oh, and I'll take 45th United States president, USMCFLYR.

PS Carl and Positive your avatars give me the creeps! Ahhhh!:eek:

Block - that is good money lost :p
Carl - I was busy eating mongolian bbq. You know how that is! :D
PS. I'm just gald Carl got his avatar back to the good one. That clown's face in the mushroom cloud was disturbing - plus it took me forever to even tell what it was! :o

USMCFLYR

Im here!
 

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.....oh and by the way.....I've got $20 on Diver

The only reason Gojets Threads are locked is because this forum is Biased!!!!

Not that old line again :rolleyes:

USMCFLYR

really.....take a look at the 'in house' forums of any regional airline

Here we go :eek:




IN

So republic or gojets? Who wins. Have to choose 1