I doubt most passengers are that stupid. I do know that to a single passenger, all passengers prefer jets over turboprops. Jet pilots are no better than turboprops pilots, but between the two types of A/C, there is a difference in performance, range, and passenger comfort. By the logic of cheaper (economics), the DC-3 is an awesome aircraft and plenty of them still around. Maybe the regionals should consider flying those instead of turboprops??? NOT.

 

Incidentally, you got that exactly backwards; the Regional Carriers are the customer of Mainline Carriers. Thats why the paint jobs on the airplanes keep changing every couple of years...

 

I'm with JSH on this. The 'regional' is the subcontractor. The RFP issued by the 'mainline' carrier specifies everything from the amount the regional carrier will be paid to fly the routes to the paint schemes the airplane will wear. The 'regional' bids for the right to provide the service per the RFP's requirements. The 'regional' carrier serves at the pleasure and whims of the mainline partner. Go find an ex-Freedom Airlines manager if this seems confusing and ask them what the relationship was between F8 and Delta.

I feel like I'm missing something here in your argument, 727574......but having read a few of these agreements in my time in the industry (in a job function other than line pilot), I'd say that in the example of a mainline carrier and a regional carrier, the 'mainline' definitively is the customer and the 'regional' carrier the provider of the service.

 

Actually that is wrong. The customer is the one buying seats on the aircraft. Mainline buys the seats on regional and markets them as their own. The regionals do not pay mainline..

 

That makes no sense. If I was your customer, I would be paying you to do something for me right? Well, mainline puts out a bid, a regional agee to the bid, and operates those flights. The operater (the regionals) gets paid to do the flying. It's no difference as if you were to hire a contractor to do a job for you. What do you think a regional is? It's a contract operator. That's why it says "operated by xxxx airlines" on the side of the airplane. Yes, the paint keeps changing because that's what the customer (mainline) wants.

 

I think we might be doing the "apple and oranges" thing depending on which side of the "House" you're flying for. The logic of Mainline being the customer is for debate here, but it does not always depend on economics. If the CEO at Mainline X does not like the pax satisfaction numbers, the on time performance numbers, the safety record numbers, of Regional Y, Regional Y goes bye bye, and Regional Z steps into the picture. Sometimes, it something as simple of CEO of Mainline X hearing of CEO of Regional Y calling him a F%$#@*& ********* in the Bar, and again Y goes bye bye and Z steps in. In the above scenarios can anyone find where Mainline X lost something???? The NBA Players Association also thinks that the Owners are the "customers", however what is their risk or investment, or Regional Y's either???

 

To use your example, what happens if I fire my carpenter for being drunk on the job, fire him and hire carpenter x, then fire him and hire carpenter z? I'm still the customer, I am paying the carpenter/subcontractor/regional

 

We all have valid points here and no one is right or wrong. That being said, unfortunately at some point in our careers this is the absolute certainty: if it is not Management, it will be the Union, someone will put sand and shards of glass in the Vasoline. The nature of the airline industry. We can all thank Jim Wright (D) TX former Speaker of the House and convicted felon, and President Jimmy Carter (D) GA. Deregulation; How's that working out for ya???

 

The older generation should pls go.

Thats all I'm gonna say about that...

 

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This. JayHub...I know plenty. I was hired at G7 after the mediation decision. TSA pilots COULD have flown those planes from the start but they tried to bully Uncle Hulie and got their butt handed to them. Hulie is NOT stupid. He knows how to play the game. Your pilot group and your arrogant (former) MEC did not.
Contrary to what you (and others) think. I don't hate you guys and wish no ill will toward you. But, the pointing fingers and whining need to stop. All of your "woes" are self induced and you along with all of the other TSA pilots and TSA pilot sympathyzers on this forum need to grow up and move on. I honestly hope all TSA pilots who wish to move on from any Hulie airline can do so. It was the best feeling I had in a long time when I walked out of the crew room for the last time. Hopefully, the industry will turn a corner and you can experience the joy I had (and have) by NOT being employed by a Hulas owned airline. It's a beautiful thing.