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11-21-2011 | 03:09 PM
#51
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Just what management wants you to think. This is part of the regional mentality and why it can never improve. As of lately, new hire classes have been full of mostly low experience. But that's not really supposed to be the norm. It's hard to attract pilots with experience due to the low pay. But nothing about the job and what you do is entry level. First officers fly CRJ's in the same manner under the same sky, rules, physics and limitations as a 737 at a major. It's not uncommon to see people in new hire classes that have more experience than the training pilots themselves out on the line. This goes for majors and regionals.
So that regional airline being an entry level job is a pretty arrogant statement. Does that mean legacy carriers are entry level too because new hires have less experience than line captains at a regional? It would be an interesting dynamic if people were hired based on their experience. However, due to the seniority system there is no such thing as an entry level job in the airline environment.
So that regional airline being an entry level job is a pretty arrogant statement. Does that mean legacy carriers are entry level too because new hires have less experience than line captains at a regional? It would be an interesting dynamic if people were hired based on their experience. However, due to the seniority system there is no such thing as an entry level job in the airline environment.
11-21-2011 | 03:13 PM
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When regionals have "bridge programs" or "fast track" deals with universities, then yes, a regional FO is indeed an entry level job and a fresh grad into the right seat of an RJ should make no more than around 20K. The only way a regional would not be entry level is if the mins were raised to at least 2000 hours. That won't happen, so it will remain an entry level job.
11-21-2011 | 03:13 PM
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I think what he meant was..... "A regional is considered Entry Level for part 121 career....."
For most, A regional is still the entry level for airlines career.
Now, a lot of people are looking at regionals as long term prospects & have made it their career & their final destination.
For most, A regional is still the entry level for airlines career.
Now, a lot of people are looking at regionals as long term prospects & have made it their career & their final destination.
That's where the eternal conflict at the regional level stems from. You have two diametrically opposed camps.... regional lifers and guys who want their 1000 TPIC and go the majors. Growth at the regionals affect to two groups differently. Lifers like growth and the ones that want to go to the majors want majors to grow. However, you throw this monkey wrench in the works. With more and more regional lifers, you have less spots to upgrade with slow growth.
It's the ultimate Catch-22. You can't upgrade and go to the majors without growth to upgrade into, but with growth at the regionals, you have less jobs at the majors.
11-21-2011 | 03:17 PM
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They get paid what they negotiate and what the market bears. I should make more money than I do, but I must be content with just making $175,000/yr. as an F/O. Be happy for what you have, you are flying a jet and have the best office view in the world.
11-21-2011 | 03:43 PM
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So I guess it's not possible to work for a Legacy carrier if you have never worked for a regional. Also I'm not sure if the statement about regional captains being people that couldn't hack it in the "real world" of aviation is factual or opinion. Are there guys that had to settle for the regional job for life because they couldn't get a job at the majors? Yup. But this doesn't really account for the majority. Sad that such narrow views exist.
I wonder if I can use that as an excuse next time I land on a taxi way or over fly my airport. "Gee Mr. FAA guy it's just an entry level job. I'm not a "real pilot". And the guy I work with is stuck here because he couldn't pass the interview process at the worlds best airline." I bet that will go over real well.
I wonder if I can use that as an excuse next time I land on a taxi way or over fly my airport. "Gee Mr. FAA guy it's just an entry level job. I'm not a "real pilot". And the guy I work with is stuck here because he couldn't pass the interview process at the worlds best airline." I bet that will go over real well.
11-21-2011 | 03:58 PM
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You don't understand this most basic of concepts. If the regionals paid well and were not entry level positions, then ALL of you that in the last few years got hired with wet commercials, would not be hired at the regional level. The regionals would attract truly qualified newhires. You would have to pay your dues being a CFI or doing other traditional time building flying.
11-21-2011 | 04:26 PM
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You don't understand this most basic of concepts. If the regionals paid well and were not entry level positions, then ALL of you that in the last few years got hired with wet commercials, would not be hired at the regional level. The regionals would attract truly qualified newhires. You would have to pay your dues being a CFI or doing other traditional time building flying.
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