+1
one needs 2000 HRS with the company & 4500 TT to upgrade but they do a 1 to 1 match for Hrs.

So for any FO who joins at say 800 hrs TT, will have to reach 3500TT before can upgrade or if anyone joins with a 2500 TT will do 1000 hrs with company & & they do a 1 to 1 match.

That, along with 750 TT 100 Multi for FO, which is a hard deck for now, is supposedly an insurance company requirement.

At least that's what they have said at the presentations at the job fairs....FWIW..

So for a new FO at bare minimums, the upgrade is NOT SO QUICK, at least a good 3+ yrs......

 

Great post boss, finally some smarts on this post. Some of us are starving to death out here, and have more than 1200 hrs in our pocket.

 

 

That's about the same as saying military pilot is an "entry level" job. Hey they all got their wings at 24 years old and 300 hours eh?

 

Hum???????????????????

 

exactly my point....

 

Well...in a way. They are given entry level responsibility, entry level duties, entry level qualifications, entry level additional duties. They are paid less than more senior pilots.

I mean if you are going to try to compare something so different to the airline world. I guess it could work.

USMCFLYR

 

And while on that topic... I believe a 1 year O-1 with flight pay gets about $3000/mo not including BOQ or any other housing benefits.... contrast that to the 1st year RJ FO that makes $1200/mo and has to shell out $200/mo or more for a "crash pad'

Not trying to completely equate the two... but those are both the entry points for two "fresh" aviators..

the 3rd option being Ab-initio as is done in the EU, wherein the are paid even more the the two above.

 

That sounds about right without looking at the current pay charts. I always told people that you won't get rich by serving, but it isn't bad pay. I'm making quite a bit less now than I was on active duty and will for awhile.

Personally I don't mind a guy coming into the military at all for a minimum commitment, gaining a skill (aviation or otherwise), and getting out at his first chance. I still believe that person has done a lot more of his/her country than many others will. If I didn't fly - I was only going to spend 4 years in (hopefully in law enforcement or intelligence) and then get out and try to get on with some branch of Federal Law Enforcement.

I believe, both for training and opportunity, that the military is a great place for what we are calling on here a entry level job. Of course I also believe that you aren't in the military to be a pilot but a professional officer at arms. Maybe it is some of that 'Every Marine is a rifleman first' mentality at play, but some people called me a professional pilot when I was still active duty and I always disagreed with that. I was paid for being a Marine. The airplane was my weapons system.

I was heading the route of the civilian pilot when I eventually got picked up. I was fresh out of college with the standard Multi-comm with Inst. rating and about 230 hrs and 10 hrs of multi and ready to tame the world. I wanted to be a bush pilot. I sent out over 150 resumes to addresses I got out of an ad in the back of Flying magazine (probably). More than half came back undeliverable. Many more I never received an answer from. The nearest I came was from a Seaplane outfit in Seattle that wanted like 500 tt min if I remember correctly (it has been way to long now). I wonder if it was Kenmore? Anyway - I was chosen for a different path. But I often think back to those times and wonder how it would have gone for me otherwise. Would I have kept the path. As much as I loved flying would I have stuck it out as many on here have. I wasn't willing to pack up everything I owned and move to Alaska like one CP suggested I do if I really wanted a job flying up in the great white north - spend every dime I had doing odd jobs or washing airplanes - until my money ran out. He said "if you have a job by then - welcome to aviation in Alaska, if not, go home" (or something just as insightful )

I commend the spirit some have shown that I have followed on this forum.
Some are hardy men and women. Some might be fools Many seem to hold true to the adage - love aviation, hate the job. I consider myself one of the very lucky - past, present, and hopefully into the future.

USMCFLYR

WOW! Really spilled it out there didn't I - AND WAY OFF TARGET!
Back to GoJet.

 

well said USMCFLYR... I totally agree.