Displaced Comair Pilots offer to go to GoJet
08-11-2012, 09:07 AM
#91
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Yeah, so a few flights cancell and costs DL a day's profit in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile DL and many other recruitment departments will know what to look for. You make the evil airline cancel an out and back, but you end up hosing yourself in the process just for a brief feel good moment that doesn't accomplish anything.
Really, don't worry about me. DAL hasn't and you shouldn't either. I've got my plan B.
And sorry, I have to disagree about the not accomplishing anything rhetoric. I have principles and I'm sure as heck not about to compromise them over some DAL greedy business. My family, my friends' and relatives' families, etc. etc. will never ever give a cent to DAL again. It goes deeper than just just what you see on the surface. Maybe a small dent, but a dent nonetheless.
08-11-2012, 09:25 AM
#92
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gloopy, just so we're on the same page, I am talking about what will happen post-Sept. 29 not presently. You will never find a more professional group of pilots than who are at OH right now. The shortage of staff for planes I am eluding to is what is going to happen at the carriers who will be taking the planes. I have heard from very few current OH pilots who are going over to the dark side. And that is a good thing in my opinion.
08-11-2012, 09:30 AM
#93
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Joined APC: May 2010
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Not to take anything away from your stand on principal (principle?) which I do admire, and I hope you are able to parlay one or more of those irons in the fire you're talking about, but I hate to see so many good pilots fade away when far, far better jobs than they are losing will be opening up in the not too distant future. But they will lose out big time by not being current. I fully appreciate your distaste for goJets but you can log goJets time while maintaining (albeit crappy) medical insurance; you can't log 99 weeks of unemployment.
I've seen a lot of pilots give up in the home stretch only to be left high and dry when things turn around. And things always turn around. The combined retirement numbers are staggering, and pretty much any current pilot with a degree and plenty of jet time (even if all right seat) who humps it and relentlessly leverages their 6 degrees of network connectivity will end up with a much better job than even a senior captain at Comair in just a few years from now or less.
The absolute worst thing anyone can do is sit on the sidelines barely eating on unemployment, out of currency, with no insurance (or full fare COBRA, either way) a big gap in work history and the snowballing apathy that lifestyle nurtures. Its a huge CRM threat and error trap in one's career management and I've seen it so many times through several down turns both inside and outside of aviation. Even if you made up your mind to get out of flying, doing it on your terms with a clean job to job transition is vastly superior to kicking back for months or the better part of years being a dole bludger when you have other options.
Its times like these that biting the bullet and taking that over seas or goJets job or whatever will literally make a million dollar difference in the course of one's career versus "taking a break" on unemployment, even if it its done as a tactical decision to stand on principal (principle?). I understand if you're bitter and burnt out, but I just urge everyone to take a step back, look at things from an unemotional angle and make the best decisions for themselves as they manage their career for the long term, especially if its in aviation. Not doing so is one of the biggest "pilot error" mistakes we collectively make.
I've seen a lot of pilots give up in the home stretch only to be left high and dry when things turn around. And things always turn around. The combined retirement numbers are staggering, and pretty much any current pilot with a degree and plenty of jet time (even if all right seat) who humps it and relentlessly leverages their 6 degrees of network connectivity will end up with a much better job than even a senior captain at Comair in just a few years from now or less.
The absolute worst thing anyone can do is sit on the sidelines barely eating on unemployment, out of currency, with no insurance (or full fare COBRA, either way) a big gap in work history and the snowballing apathy that lifestyle nurtures. Its a huge CRM threat and error trap in one's career management and I've seen it so many times through several down turns both inside and outside of aviation. Even if you made up your mind to get out of flying, doing it on your terms with a clean job to job transition is vastly superior to kicking back for months or the better part of years being a dole bludger when you have other options.
Its times like these that biting the bullet and taking that over seas or goJets job or whatever will literally make a million dollar difference in the course of one's career versus "taking a break" on unemployment, even if it its done as a tactical decision to stand on principal (principle?). I understand if you're bitter and burnt out, but I just urge everyone to take a step back, look at things from an unemotional angle and make the best decisions for themselves as they manage their career for the long term, especially if its in aviation. Not doing so is one of the biggest "pilot error" mistakes we collectively make.
08-11-2012, 12:20 PM
#94
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You will never find a more professional group of pilots than who are at OH right now.
But the majority facing permanent job loss at the end of Sept. are *not* going.
08-11-2012, 04:10 PM
#95
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1.) Soft pay is where you make money not the hourly rate..what's G7s min day credit? How about cancellation pay? What's G7s deadhead rate? Per diem? Does G7 have block or better? Saying that G7s pay, benefits ect... Isn't subpar, would be lying....
2. Don't talk about idiocy and not knowing business. Especially when it comes to bidding flying at a loss just to get it..... Aren't you from 9E?
2. Don't talk about idiocy and not knowing business. Especially when it comes to bidding flying at a loss just to get it..... Aren't you from 9E?
I understand the haters hate G7 because of how it started---but it really is just another regional---with a twist of controversy. Hope all you guys get a real flying job one day and then you will realize that your regional wasn't so special after all.
08-11-2012, 04:13 PM
#96
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Unemployed 121 Captain
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Guys and Gals from OH, listen up. If you can, get a job at GoJets. You won't be there very long anyways and if you could get a job at WalMart, you'll find their working conditions and pay to be less than GoJets. Also, WalMart doesn't fly jets; I'll go ahead and cut you off, I know they do in Bentonville but unless your Daddy is the Chief Pilot, don't bother wasting a good stamp. I am a card carrying ALPA member in good standing AND do not owe them one penny, they will throw you under the bus for the good of "the cause". I commited professional suicide for them once and after they shut of my magazine subscription they called us "heroes" and would get us all jobs. RIGHT!!!!! Now I have more experience in this business (24 years) than alot of you have been alive. I had a lot of good Men teach me the ropes through their experiences, and I owe you and them the same wisdom and knowledge these guys gave me. Thanks for the jumpseats to OH. Frats and good luck.
08-11-2012, 04:32 PM
#97
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Before G7 I had a real job at a fractional where the pay, benefits, quality of life was good and then came the furlough. Before the fractional I was at Skywest so I have something to compare to G7. Sure---the benefits and contract were better(not life changing better). But, the pay--the equipment-- the schedules-- the hotels--the quality of life is basically the same. Upgrade time was much faster than Skywest so that has made the money better at G7. Contract pilots working for a contract company. They all start at poverty level wages and do not own any of there own flying.
I understand the haters hate G7 because of how it started---but it really is just another regional---with a twist of controversy. Hope all you guys get a real flying job one day and then you will realize that your regional wasn't so special after all.
I understand the haters hate G7 because of how it started---but it really is just another regional---with a twist of controversy. Hope all you guys get a real flying job one day and then you will realize that your regional wasn't so special after all.
08-11-2012, 05:18 PM
#98
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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That includes laying off the garbage about GoJets. Not one of them crossed a picket line for the job. Not one of you mouthpieces would turn the job down if it meant keeping current, building hours and feeding your family. The ONLY reason you are where you are is because you got lucky and your resume ended up on top of the stack that day...nothing more.
So all that technical stuff I had to learn about my airplane and that checkride I had to pass, what was that, luck? Riiiiiiiight
08-11-2012, 05:22 PM
#99
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