Tbucket, you seem like a reasonably intelligent person.

While you are within your rights to deny a G7 guy the Jumpseat, there are several issues that arise if you do.

1) most OH to G7 people know your DO and IAD chief better than you do. A quick call to either and expect to hear something from them. Oh, and neither one of them were born yesterday. Pushing and holding the O2 test for 5 minutes is fairly predictable.

2). You never really seem to address this, but there are a significant amount of TSA guys who commute on G7. I personally have 1-2 TSA guys on the Jumpseat per month. I always treat the TSA guys the way I want to be treated. I get them a big bottle of water and make sure they feel welcome. If you really are serious with what you are suggesting, should we deny TSA guys the Jumpseat? I think that would suck for everyone involved. So, do you really want to make sure the TSA pilots don't get home on G7? I personally don't commute, but I'm pretty sure it would really hurt BOTH pilot groups.

Just remember thing work both ways.

 

I'll do the best I can here. I don't speak for anyone else other than myself. It's personally cost me a lot of career progression and $$, what the original G7 guys did. (It's done the same for the industry as a whole) It kills me every time I see someone signing up to support that. I'm not going to play internet tough guy and pretend that I go around insulting them to their faces in the terminal or anything. I just don't support what the airline stands for.

As for the OH guys, I understand their plight a little bit more than the SJS kids who are willing to stab me in the back for some seniority and that quick upgrade. But still, why not come over to TSA? Better contract, better pilot group, faster upgrade, and you're not supporting an alter-ego.

I'm not even suggesting a "jumpseat war" of any kind, I certainly don't want the TSA guys who commute on G7 to have a hard time. And I'm not going to say that the TSA guys who are "over" the G7 thing and choose to allow them on the jumpseat are "wrong". It's a personal choice, just like working at an alter ego company in the first place.

My purpose posting on these threads is to hopefully enlighten some of these starry-eyed new guys that there IS still an issue with G7 and what they stand for. The gojet guys on here like to go on and on about how there's "no stigma" and they never have problems and whatnot. I've personally seen G7 jumpseaters turned down at many different airlines. Sure, it might not be every plane or even a majority, but it happens. I know that if I'm ever on a hiring board somewhere and someone comes up with gojet on their resume, they're going to be asked why they chose to work at an airline that was formed to stab their fellow pilots in the back.

There's just no reason to go work for a bottom feeder alter-ego airline in today's hiring climate. (Unless maybe you live in RDU and REALLLLLLY want that base).

 

I think it's a shame that the guys that originally started the whole mess (former TSA pilots) still have and will most likely always have high level management, training, and "union" positions. I must echo the sentiment of why bother going over there when TSA has a better contract, better pay, faster upgrades, and better management. I have never denied a gojet guy a jumpseat.

 

I wonder if all this guys that would denied the jumpseat to a g7 pilot would take the jumpseat on a g7 flight.... hmmmmm smh...

 

Why go to TSA when every regionals contract is better? Gojet excluded of course. I am sure you make literally 10's of dollars more than me. Not defending Gojet here, just pointing out your flawed logic there tbucket.

 

Actually TSA's contract is pretty good and has leg by leg cancellation pay.

 

Just curious what entices a new person to G7 considering all regionals are hiring at ATP mins?

 

T-bucket... When did you get hired at TSA? Let me guess, when you guys had the worst contract in the industry? Get off your high horse..

 

First time he was ever aware of how bad Gojet destroyed his life was Indoc. Indoc at the 2nd worst airline in the history of aviation.

 

Can anyone look back through those newsletters and see what the actual attrition going back a year or so has been? Just trying to get an idea if the 18 month upgrade for new hires is legit (and I already have 3,300 total, ATP, etc).