Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional > GoJet
GoJet about to get whipsawed by Pinnacle >

GoJet about to get whipsawed by Pinnacle

Search

Notices
GoJet Regional Airline

GoJet about to get whipsawed by Pinnacle

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-21-2013 | 06:09 AM
  #31  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
From: 320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by What
They are the same type rating!
So is the -200 but most carriers fly the -200 separate from the -700/-900.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 06:21 AM
  #32  
Red97Vette's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 413
Likes: 0
From: UniCal 737 FO
Default

Originally Posted by DL31082
So is the -200 but most carriers fly the -200 separate from the -700/-900.
The 700 and 900 are almost identical. There should be NO reason to refuse to dual qual on them. Some times I forget which I'm on if I dont think about it..
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 06:31 AM
  #33  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 725
Likes: 0
From: Port Bus
Default

Originally Posted by Will
I thought PCL was going to get shut down?
Prior to DL purchase...yes. Now, no way. Pinnacle has a bright future from my perspective. Pinnacle is now cheap.

Pinnacle had one of the most senior pilot groups out there, equating to some of the highest operating costs with the old contract. Now costs are under control with the current contract in place.

Other regional airlines with senior pilot groups will suffer the same fate from there main line partners as Pinnacle has.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 07:03 AM
  #34  
Banned
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,071
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Pogey Bait

Other regional airlines with senior pilot groups will suffer the same fate from there main line partners as Pinnacle has.
Other mismanaged unprofitable companies, yes...
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 07:23 AM
  #35  
RgrMurdock's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 996
Likes: 0
Default

Yeah I don't think it's fair to blame pilot seniority for all of PNCL's problems. The company was a mismanaged mess. And while there may be some small solace in gjet losing airplanes, constantly lowering the bar isn't anything to get excited about either.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 07:49 AM
  #36  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,168
Likes: 0
From: Reclined
Default

Is GoJets air service agreement up soon? I've been hearing Pinnacle will be going after those CRJ 700's. this will be funny. An airline is created, when there is no demand for it, to under cut and then they get under cut themselves.
As I understand it, gojets was created to get around the AMR scope clauses at the time. TSA could not have larger airplanes over 50 seats and keep the AMR flying.

CHQ tried it and paid hefty penalties. The whipsawing was just an added side benefit.

So, you guys can stop blaming your fellow regional pilots, and start blaming the APA... After all, it was just us limiting the size of your guppy killers that caused it. So blame us and move on, enough already.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 08:01 AM
  #37  
RogerDorn's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
From: 3rd Base for the Indians
Default

Originally Posted by Red97Vette
..... 'respectable' regionals...
Is that a thing??
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 08:36 AM
  #38  
Boomer's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,629
Likes: 15
From: blueJet
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy
How does that make sense? By definition, a request for proposal is put out by the mainline that needs its regional service covered. Delta "owns" 9E now. So how can 9E put a bid in? And if it can, wouldn't Delta know right away if 9E will get the flying or not?
ShyGuy, remember Comair? In 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011, Delta put out RFPs for Comair flying (or should I say Delta flying that was being performed by Comair).

Each time, Comair submitted bids (as directed by Delta) to retain the flying.

Each time, Delta (supposedly) considered those bids.

Each time, Delta said "Allllllllmost, but not quite... You're too expensive"

Each time, Delta awarded RFPs to other regionals.

I know it's all f'd up, but that's how Delta does business. From 2004 until the end, Comair pilots voted in three concessionary contracts to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta promised us (or the judge) that it would be enough to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta would have a change of heart after the contract was signed and planes still left the property.

It didn't make sense and it wasn't logical. Most of us hung around till the end hoping common sense would kick in. Don't rely on logic trying to figure out DCI musical chairs when Delta is running the game.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 08:40 AM
  #39  
RJtrashPilot's Avatar
I have shiny jet syndrome
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 984
Likes: 0
From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
Default

Originally Posted by Boomer
ShyGuy, remember Comair? In 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011, Delta put out RFPs for Comair flying (or should I say Delta flying that was being performed by Comair).

Each time, Comair submitted bids (as directed by Delta) to retain the flying.

Each time, Delta (supposedly) considered those bids.

Each time, Delta said "Allllllllmost, but not quite... You're too expensive"

Each time, Delta awarded RFPs to other regionals.

I know it's all f'd up, but that's how Delta does business. From 2004 until the end, Comair pilots voted in three concessionary contracts to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta promised us (or the judge) that it would be enough to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta would have a change of heart after the contract was signed and planes still left the property.

It didn't make sense and it wasn't logical. Most of us hung around till the end hoping common sense would kick in. Don't rely on logic trying to figure out DCI musical chairs when Delta is running the game.
Especially if Don "I grew up at the end of RWY 36R and love Comair'' Bornwh0rest is running the DCI freak show.
Reply
Old 04-21-2013 | 08:44 AM
  #40  
Redbird611's Avatar
Line Holder
10 Years
30 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 565
Likes: 39
Default

Originally Posted by DL31082
So is the -200 but most carriers fly the -200 separate from the -700/-900.
Airlines with CRJ common category:
Mesa (only 4 200s in HI)
Pinnacle
PSA
SkyWest

Airlines not operating both variants:
American Eagle
GoJet
Air Wisconsin

Airlines with separate 200 and 700/900 categories:
ExpressJet (L-ASA)


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but who is left besides ExpressJet (L-ASA) that is actually operating CRJ-200 as a separate category?
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
OKLATEX
Cargo
3
04-03-2012 03:07 PM
DMEarc
Regional
1249
12-17-2010 10:37 PM
Foxcow
Regional
200
09-13-2009 09:00 PM
stbloc
Regional
13
05-01-2008 04:47 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices