Go back to the title of this thread. The point the OP was making is Gojet will be more expensive than PCL so Pinnacle should pick up more flying. My point is that this will NEVER happen now, because any chance of Gojet getting better payrates is over. So the idea that Pinnacle will whipsaw Gojet is is laughable. Now PCL guys are spreading rumors that they are going to get Gojet 700s, when Gojet is getting a new 700 everytime I go by the maintenance hangar in St. Louis.

Pinnacle pilots had to decide what was best for them. Just like other pilot groups will do the same. I think PCL should be more worried about getting their act together than getting more aircraft. The history of this management team at Delta in regard to wholly owned subsidiaries is suspect at best. Best case Pinnacle gets its act together and is spun off after restructuring (like Express I). DL could sell them to another airline (like Mesaba) or worst case slowly close the doors (Comair) if Delta can't pretty Pinnacle up enough to find a buyer. If you think Delta wants to own Pinnacle long term, then you are ignoring the history of this management team at Delta and the history of Delta/Northwest when it comes to wholly owned subsidaries. Because, like Delta told Comair ten years ago "being wholly owned means everything....."

 

This is also true.

Here's my point, Hulas could've done it, but he didnt HAVE to, there was no scope language strong enough to stop his feet, and the union knew it, that was on them. Why would he? Weasel move, but that's what he is.

Anyways, not relevant now. Everybody has their minds set on where they point their hate. Never hurts to do some research though.

 

Probably just easier to create a new airline than negotiate with people not interested in reality. Planes had to be on a separate certificate; if they saw an ability to negotiate in a reasonable time period at reasonable costs; they would have.

 

Any truth to Wychor saying in recurrent that this is an experiment for Delta? ( friend just heard it there, curious if others have) if that is the case what happens if it doesn't pan out?

 

What is your point? Are you saying that the Pinnacle pilots should have negotiated lower rates so they could undercut GJ? I don't get it. Who do you work for?

 

Maybe someone in Delta got smart and figured out that having 8 different companies flying their passengers around providing subpar service is more expensive than actually just flying the airplanes with their own staff. The redundancy in mechanics, management, scheduling, HR and all the other departments means that Delta is paying much more than they would have to if they staffed the plans themselves. Delta is, after all, an airline - in business to fly passengers around in airplanes. I wonder how big of a team Delta has to have internally just to deal with the DCI carriers.

 

Read the original post. My point is there is no way Gojet pilots are somehow going to negotiate higher payrates after PCLs concessionary contract so you can whipsaw them.

 

Remove Pinnacle, insert Comair and the same thing was being said 10 years ago. Look at Delta's history, look at the history of this management team. The best thing for Pinnacle and its employees is to get sold or spun off as quickly as possible to get away from Delta ownership. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Delta has a large portfolio of carriers to drive costs down. It works and has made millions for Mother Delta while devastating the regional industry. They're not about to ditch a concept that has made them so much money and worked so well for their bottom line.

Delta needed to stabilize Pinnacle because they could not replace its feed overnight. Now that PCL is stabilized, either it gets sold or pieced out.

 

I guess you have it all figured out then. You should become a career counselor for pilots. Where do you work?

 

This is apples to oranges to what happened to Comair. The same could be said for Delta management. They were able to back us into a corner and get 12 year captain and 4 year FO rate caps. I love how you know it alls just look at what you want to see instead of looking at the whole picture