GoJet about to get whipsawed by Pinnacle
04-21-2013 | 08:51 AM
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Airlines with CRJ common category:
Mesa (only 4 200s in HI)
Pinnacle
PSA
SkyWest
Airlines not operating both variants:
American Eagle
GoJet
Air Wisconsin
Airlines with separate 200 and 700/900 categories:
ExpressJet (L-ASA)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but who is left besides ExpressJet (L-ASA) that is actually operating CRJ-200 as a separate category?
Mesa (only 4 200s in HI)
Pinnacle
PSA
SkyWest
Airlines not operating both variants:
American Eagle
GoJet
Air Wisconsin
Airlines with separate 200 and 700/900 categories:
ExpressJet (L-ASA)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but who is left besides ExpressJet (L-ASA) that is actually operating CRJ-200 as a separate category?
Pinnacle is separate...
04-21-2013 | 09:41 AM
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04-21-2013 | 10:16 AM
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As I understand it, gojets was created to get around the AMR scope clauses at the time. TSA could not have larger airplanes over 50 seats and keep the AMR flying.
CHQ tried it and paid hefty penalties. The whipsawing was just an added side benefit.
So, you guys can stop blaming your fellow regional pilots, and start blaming the APA... After all, it was just us limiting the size of your guppy killers that caused it. So blame us and move on, enough already.
CHQ tried it and paid hefty penalties. The whipsawing was just an added side benefit.
So, you guys can stop blaming your fellow regional pilots, and start blaming the APA... After all, it was just us limiting the size of your guppy killers that caused it. So blame us and move on, enough already.
TSA was given the shot to fly those airplanes for pay rates that their union didnt think were fair. Unfortunately TSAs contract did not have strong enough scope protection in order to play tough with the company. Union still decided to play tough, and lost.
I can understand the initial animosity among pilots then. But the hate is pointed in the wrong direction.
04-21-2013 | 11:23 AM
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Maybe there is something in the future that makes pinnacle cheaper in the long run. Pinnacle pilots just signed a 7 tear contract. Are GoJet rates locked in for 7 years? What about the flight attendants, mechanics, corporate employees? Are they locked into a bad long term contracts like 9e union groups? No.
04-21-2013 | 11:40 AM
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i don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
did you ever stop to think that we had to negotiate against THEIR low rates with our last good contract, and that our bankrupcy contract puts us at the same level as them, if not more, with the soft pay?
and wait.....you work for trans states? have you seen your pay compared to Pinnacle? ha ha!
04-21-2013 | 11:49 AM
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Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
04-21-2013 | 11:52 AM
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Not saying the Gojet contract had no effect on PCL. What I'm saying is any hope those guys had of better payrates went out the window the day you guys voted to take concessions.
Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
and like you people told us.....all you gotta do is vote NO......right?????and then you will get what you want???? So all GJ has to do is vote NO! funny how people preach just vote NO like it is so easy, until it hits THEIR pocketbooks!
04-21-2013 | 11:53 AM
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Not saying the Gojet contract had no effect on PCL. What I'm saying is any hope those guys had of better payrates went out the window the day you guys voted to take concessions.
Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
04-21-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Did you seriously think those concessions would have no effect on the rest of the industry?
I was a no vote, but if we had gone out of business another DCI carrier would have been forced to lower their rates.
That is in direct relation to GoJet and Compass, because they're both very junior and cheap.
Express Jet will be next. Sad but true.
04-21-2013 | 01:42 PM
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At least somebody gets it.
TSA was given the shot to fly those airplanes for pay rates that their union didnt think were fair. Unfortunately TSAs contract did not have strong enough scope protection in order to play tough with the company. Union still decided to play tough, and lost.
I can understand the initial animosity among pilots then. But the hate is pointed in the wrong direction.
TSA was given the shot to fly those airplanes for pay rates that their union didnt think were fair. Unfortunately TSAs contract did not have strong enough scope protection in order to play tough with the company. Union still decided to play tough, and lost.
I can understand the initial animosity among pilots then. But the hate is pointed in the wrong direction.
Funny, but CHQ flies for american and pilots on their SAME SENIORITY LIST fly 70 seaters for united. So, tell me again how Hulas couldn't do the same thing? Oh, wait, that's because the real reason gojet was created was to get around TSA's union, not AMR scope.
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