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07-08-2020, 09:59 AM
#231
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Originally Posted by OOfff
it’s not, in any way, akin to chattel slavery. It’s a laughable comparison and hilarious that anyone would even bring it up
07-08-2020, 10:04 AM
#232
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
No one said it was chattel slavery, they said it was slavery. While all chattel slavery is slavery, not all slavery is chattel slavery. It’s not hard to understand.
07-08-2020, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot
No one said it was chattel slavery, they said it was slavery. While all chattel slavery is slavery, not all slavery is chattel slavery. It’s not hard to understand.
07-08-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
The fruits of your labor are not being stolen from you.
TAXATION IS THEFT!
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Taxes support the society that makes it possible for you to earn that money in the first place. Taxes paid for your primary education, provided a cheap and stable food supply, funded infrastructure that makes a large and productive economy possible, provided a stable finical market for you to get a mortgage, and supported the FAA which makes your career possible.
07-08-2020, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Downside: we now live in a world where the global economic shots are called by others, except for what we can manage in our isolationist economy (it would be a large isolationist economy). Eventually they might team up and try to move in from the north and south, although that's a very difficult logistics proposition.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Second Issue, Global Cop: We fell into that role after WW-2.
Abdicating that would leave a power vacuum (any marginal student of history can tell you what happens next), our current force structure prevents that by it's very existence. Politicians may on occasion utilize that force structure for their own opportunistic purposes, but that does not invalidate the fundamental benefit of that force structure or the reason we kept funding it over many decades.
It also provides a very powerful leveraged benefit... with enough confidence in OUR capabilities and intentions, many other nations will line up on the side of democratic values. Without confidence in us, many of those nations would have to make deals with the devil.
Abdicating that would leave a power vacuum (any marginal student of history can tell you what happens next), our current force structure prevents that by it's very existence. Politicians may on occasion utilize that force structure for their own opportunistic purposes, but that does not invalidate the fundamental benefit of that force structure or the reason we kept funding it over many decades.
It also provides a very powerful leveraged benefit... with enough confidence in OUR capabilities and intentions, many other nations will line up on the side of democratic values. Without confidence in us, many of those nations would have to make deals with the devil.
07-08-2020, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Wrong. Taxes are the price we pay for not going to prison.
No one is forcing you to stay here. Again, the UAE has no income tax.
07-08-2020, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
You are confusing the word "isolationist" with "non-interventionist" the two are very different.
The US Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to be the world's policeman. In fact George Washington specifically warned against doing this in his farewell address.
The US Constitution does not give the federal government the authority to be the world's policeman. In fact George Washington specifically warned against doing this in his farewell address.
07-08-2020, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails12
saying it’s slavery is hyperbolic to the extreme and disrespectful to slaves past and present. It’s not hard to understand
One of the key concepts in slavery is that owning the person you own the fruit of their labor, and there is no choice in the taking of that labor (it is not a mutually agreed to arrangement). If the slave master wishes to allow the slave a choice in work and to keep some of the fruit of that labor, the person is still a slave. In terms of an income tax, the government lays first claim to the whole of your income, and then allows you to keep a portion of it. In both cases there is no choice for person whose labor is being exploited.
07-08-2020, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
it’s hard to understand why someone would bring it up in this discussion
07-08-2020, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
The fruits of your labor are not being stolen from you. Taxes support the society that makes it possible for you to earn that money in the first place. Taxes paid for your primary education, provided a cheap and stable food supply, funded infrastructure that makes a large and productive economy possible, provided a stable finical market for you to get a mortgage, and supported the FAA which makes your career possible. The UAE, Bermuda, and Monaco don't have income taxes. Do you really think your life would be as good if you grew up in those countries?
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