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07-06-2020, 06:20 AM

#211

SonicFlyer

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Originally Posted by NatGeo

I don't think their Confederate history is anything to be proud of.

Neither is a lot of US history in general. Remember that slavery existed in the Union a lot longer than it existed in the Confederacy.

07-06-2020, 02:50 PM

#212

crewdawg

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You could also separate yourself from the notion that you must live in a city. Move out of the city into a small town and commute into work, or find a different job outside the city...your money tends to go much further there. If you can't afford anything more than a 750 sq ft/1 bed apartment, maybe do what you can to not start a family, let alone have 2.

07-06-2020, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

Neither is a lot of US history in general. Remember that slavery existed in the Union a lot longer than it existed in the Confederacy.

True statement. Just convenient to point the finger at the last to give it up.

07-06-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Huell

True statement. Just convenient to point the finger at the last to give it up.

Slavery ended in the Union after it ended in the Confederacy. The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slaves held in the Confederacy and not to slaves held in the Union. There were slave states that fought for the Union.

Of course, it can be argued that slavery was never actually abolished in the US.

13th Amendment: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

07-07-2020, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot

Of course, it can be argued that slavery was never actually abolished in the US.

13th Amendment: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

That and the income tax is also a form of slavery.

07-08-2020, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

That and the income tax is also a form of slavery.

As well as conscription. All of which still currently exist.

07-08-2020, 05:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

That and the income tax is also a form of slavery.

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Originally Posted by NE_Pilot

As well as conscription. All of which still currently exist.

So you do understand, excellent. Pay your taxes, serve if called up. Anything else?

07-08-2020, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer

That and the income tax is also a form of slavery.

Slavery? A tad tone deaf if you ask me. You could renounce your citizenship to break free of the bonds of slavery which was not an option for actual slaves back in the day

07-08-2020, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by contrails12

Slavery? A tad tone deaf if you ask me. You could renounce your citizenship to break free of the bonds of slavery which was not an option for actual slaves back in the day

I said it was a form of slavery. Being unable to keep the fruits of ones labor is one definition of slavery.

And you do realize the US government charges you thousands of dollars to renounce your citizenship, right? Ironic, eh

07-08-2020, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by METO Guido

So you do understand, excellent. Pay your taxes, serve if called up. Anything else?

I have no problem serving if called up to defend my country. However the vast majority of what the US military gets used for is not actually defending the country. It's pushing big interests foreign political agendas. And it's a disservice to the troops.