Unluckiest Generation
06-22-2020, 10:52 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by OOfff
longshoremen don’t move between employment for a dozen different ports. They’re farmed out, but to one place with uniform standards and practices. Not at all analogous to one union farming pilots as needed to dozens of airlines with different equipment and SOPs.
Originally Posted by OOfff
as for calling Air Koryo a precedent for anything in America...umm no.
06-23-2020, 07:53 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Pilots are interchangeable widgets and experience has a diminishing return. The expensive guy with 30 years experience doesn’t markedly improve safety records over the cheaper guy with 10 years experience.
06-23-2020, 08:07 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Where did you get the impression that I dislike corporate pilots? I’m simply illustrating the difference in compensation. One industry uses a seniority system. The other does not.
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
This type of discussion appears every few years on APC. It’s a useless argument. The seniority system is here to stay. Choose your employer wisely.
The industry needs a change. Clearly if this discussion comes up every few years its something that pilots want to see. A discussion might lead to positive change that has led to improvement all through out history. Every journey beings with a first step. Maybe if enough of us can come up with a solution it might take hold for the betterment of all pilots.
06-23-2020, 08:27 AM
#115
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Originally Posted by Av8tr1
I read your comments about corporate pilots as derogatory. Suggesting that a corporate pilot is beneath an airline pilot. Most corporate pilots I know really enjoy their jobs. Get paid a very good salary from the start and have a better schedule. I've never done corporate flying so I can only go by what I am told though.
Originally Posted by Av8tr1
Clearly if this discussion comes up every few years its something that pilots want to see.
It's not going to change.
06-23-2020, 08:47 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
agree we are thinking similarly. Skywest does something similar to what you describe. you can bring up to 10 years of experience for longevity pay and benefit purposes but start at the bottom of the senority list. when I was a 2nd year FO i flew with a Ca who was junior to me but on year 11 pay because they had 10 years at another regional. while I would like to think you are right about legacy's there is a big difference between $91/hour and $190/hour for a 737FO. maybe if it was a system like what Rickair said where airlines dont get a choice they just hire who comes next on the list, but I doubt any major would give up hiring screening to a Union.
06-23-2020, 08:55 AM
#117
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Yes. A vocal minority.
It's not going to change.
It's not going to change.
(Not intentionally trying to pick on you GogglesPisano, although it may seem that way, if so I apologize. Change is hard and not everyone will see the benefit at first. And all change starts with a single idiot who questions why is it this way. Then one day after the change everyone looks back and says why were we so stupid, why didn't we do this in the first place?)
06-23-2020, 11:03 AM
#118
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Originally Posted by Av8tr1
Well by that logic, we should have stuck with trains and forgotten this nonsense of aeroplanes. Those bicycle brothers will never change the transport industry. They are but two guys in a rented garage. Trains are here to stay. No matter how vocal those boys are, they are just a vocal minority. Don't take them seriously.
(Not intentionally trying to pick on you GogglesPisano, although it may seem that way, if so I apologize. Change is hard and not everyone will see the benefit at first. And all change starts with a single idiot who questions why is it this way. Then one day after the change everyone looks back and says why were we so stupid, why didn't we do this in the first place?)
(Not intentionally trying to pick on you GogglesPisano, although it may seem that way, if so I apologize. Change is hard and not everyone will see the benefit at first. And all change starts with a single idiot who questions why is it this way. Then one day after the change everyone looks back and says why were we so stupid, why didn't we do this in the first place?)
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