I think things will turn around soon
06-14-2008, 06:54 PM
#241
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Originally Posted by Boogie Nights
You must be a person who thrives on tension.
The grand conspiracy you suggest would imply 4 presidents 100's of former and current congressmen along with the BARON ILLUMINATEE have a master plan to disrupt the lives of ordinary Joe's like you and I..... If so I might as well as roll over now, because anyone person or organization with that power I can't fight. My 17 years of Active Duty, Guard and Reserve duty is for nothing.
I my friend am an optimist. I choose to think that this "oil problem" is one of "beanie babies". Things are worth what people perceive them to be worth. Right now people perceive oil to be worth what it is. Just like Junk bonds of the 80's, Tech stocks of the 90's, and property of the 00, oil will burst. What you may want to concern yourself with is the ability of a few to manipulate world markets, by creating unrealistic perceptions and conning others to join them (we need to educate investors). There seems to be less time between events.
I just encourage moderation in all things. I just want to shuffle my
KC-135 and 737 between coast with some security I will have a job next year. So can anyone tell me when to sell short??!!!
The grand conspiracy you suggest would imply 4 presidents 100's of former and current congressmen along with the BARON ILLUMINATEE have a master plan to disrupt the lives of ordinary Joe's like you and I..... If so I might as well as roll over now, because anyone person or organization with that power I can't fight. My 17 years of Active Duty, Guard and Reserve duty is for nothing.
I my friend am an optimist. I choose to think that this "oil problem" is one of "beanie babies". Things are worth what people perceive them to be worth. Right now people perceive oil to be worth what it is. Just like Junk bonds of the 80's, Tech stocks of the 90's, and property of the 00, oil will burst. What you may want to concern yourself with is the ability of a few to manipulate world markets, by creating unrealistic perceptions and conning others to join them (we need to educate investors). There seems to be less time between events.
I just encourage moderation in all things. I just want to shuffle my
KC-135 and 737 between coast with some security I will have a job next year. So can anyone tell me when to sell short??!!!
06-14-2008, 06:57 PM
#242
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Originally Posted by CE750
Thanks for your service my friend.. I recall the dynamics there were that Israel was becoming too aggressive and we came in to check their advance, or am I missing something on that? There are theories that Mossad played a role in this bombing in order to get the American public enraged about American interference in the region.
I think the real crime was the deployment of Americans into Lebanon in the first place.. But lets say that Mossad had nothing to do with it and it was purely Hesbola or some other local militia behind the bombing.. Ask yourself this when you try to blame the Muslim or the Arab for the bombing in 1983: Were they to be here in our back yard; let's say for arguments sake, they took over a part of downtown Cleveland, would you not expect our people or our military (or militia) to go in and try to eliminate them?
WE were on THEIR soil in the end, and whether invited by a faction or not, it wasn't an attack on the US... The tragic waste of US Marine lives is more of a criminal inditement against the US Governments policy in the region than it is an inditement against Islam which is very nationalistic and not friendly to American or other troops being based on their land. The French after all were also victims of bombings at the same time.
We do however have a lot to fight over when a totally different group took out the twin towers.. that was an act of war, and Al Queda is a sworn enemy... but what business do we have in Lebanon intervening in favor or Israel, when it's frankly non of our business?? A bit of isolationism might be a good thing for us once in a while.
In the end, you're not going to defeat 1.5 billion muslims, you're just not.
I think the real crime was the deployment of Americans into Lebanon in the first place.. But lets say that Mossad had nothing to do with it and it was purely Hesbola or some other local militia behind the bombing.. Ask yourself this when you try to blame the Muslim or the Arab for the bombing in 1983: Were they to be here in our back yard; let's say for arguments sake, they took over a part of downtown Cleveland, would you not expect our people or our military (or militia) to go in and try to eliminate them?
WE were on THEIR soil in the end, and whether invited by a faction or not, it wasn't an attack on the US... The tragic waste of US Marine lives is more of a criminal inditement against the US Governments policy in the region than it is an inditement against Islam which is very nationalistic and not friendly to American or other troops being based on their land. The French after all were also victims of bombings at the same time.
We do however have a lot to fight over when a totally different group took out the twin towers.. that was an act of war, and Al Queda is a sworn enemy... but what business do we have in Lebanon intervening in favor or Israel, when it's frankly non of our business?? A bit of isolationism might be a good thing for us once in a while.
In the end, you're not going to defeat 1.5 billion muslims, you're just not.
I just read those two articles you posted! Wow you sure hang out on some off the wall websites (conspiracy theorists abound). I prefer to get my info from more mainstream media outlets where at least there might be some accountability. I believe someone mentioned your opinions might be based on the company you keep. So here is a suggestion - read "Why they hate" by Bridgette Gabrielle. I believe it will give you some insight into the situation in Southern Lebanon. Just a suggestion to hang out with a different point of view.
So Israel, surrounded by those billions of muslims is too aggressive? If I remember correctly they were being harrased, bombed (missiles), and attacked by suicide squads and invaded S. Lebanon to create a buffer zone.
The Marines and others were brought in as "peace" keepers under the auspices of the UN and then subsequently MURDERED by Hezbollah (a terrorist organization supported by Iran and still is to this day). Frankly the true citizens of Lebanon welcomed the peace keepers. Hezbollah, with no real geographical area to call its own conducted this attack and became more powerful because we did nothing. That little sliver of the muslim faith (Hamas, Al Queida, etc.) will not allow the "moderate" muslims to conduct any lasting relations with the infidel. Anwar Sadat was assasinated for Egypt's peace treaty with Israel by these fundamentalists and no muslim leader is safe if he doesn't conform to their extreme ideology.
You mentioned we can't defeat 1.5 billion muslims. Do you truly believe that isolationism will keep our children safe while we "talk" to those who are not on that same moral plane I mentioned? What happened to that global "we are all one big world" philosophy? That philosophy does not exist in the muslim society. As Qhaddafi said recently "we will take over Europe without firing a shot." The birth rate for muslim women is approxiately 3.8 with the average european around 1.4. It won't take long and the muslim voting block will change the social face of Europe (and drastically). BTW you said you were Catholic I believe. Here are some interesting birth rate figures for non-muslim women in Spain (1.1) and Italy (1.2). For a population to sustain itself the birth rate must be around 2.1.
I believe we have no choice but to fight against this phenomena and resist it at all costs or the U.S. will be targeted once the conquest of europe and the establishment of muslim governments is in place.
To take this discussion back to something remotely related to the airline industry - We MUST do ALL we can to eliminate our dependence on oil from these countries. No more excuses, no more waiting for the price to become "comfortable" for our gluttonous appetite for a product that funds those who wish to kill us all (unless we convert of course). Conversion would be the last act of appeasement.
06-14-2008, 08:19 PM
#243
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Thank you, Deez,
History shows again and again that peace is achieved almost exclusively trough victory or threat there of.
Thank you for stating a simple truth. Israelies have Israel and Jerusalem by international rights and treaties. Anyone who would like to refute this can PM me. Sorry, the MSM, the UN, the USG, and some ill-informed bloggers do not seem to grasp the realities of this issue.
My 2 pence on this.
Originally Posted by Deez340
Your first paragraph betrays your staggering ignorance. Israel only achieved a tentative peace with the countries you mentioned after it was attacked unprovoked in the six day war and proceeded to completely decimate the militaries of those who attacked them. History shows again and again that peace is achieved almost exclusively trough victory or threat there of. Walk softly and carry a big stick. Hitler could not be talked out of his conquest, (in fact talking made the inevitable fix that much more difficult), Japan could not be talked out of the pacific, Saddam could not be talked out of Kuwait, and so on and so on. Of course diplomacy is a first choice, but in most cases enemies only truly want to talk peace once they have faced their own destruction.
Thank you for stating a simple truth. Israelies have Israel and Jerusalem by international rights and treaties. Anyone who would like to refute this can PM me. Sorry, the MSM, the UN, the USG, and some ill-informed bloggers do not seem to grasp the realities of this issue.
My 2 pence on this.
06-14-2008, 08:21 PM
#244
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Actually
If I needed to I could pull together enough $ (connections) that if I could sell short, I could have enough to retire in Luxury. I think a twin engine sea plane in venturing where my heart would take me would be nice. A couple of nice homes scattered about. A back yard with a tree where my kids could build a tree house (my gold standanrd). As with any dream if you knew the future you would have a much better shot at making them come true.
Originally Posted by WhizWheel
Do you have enough capital reserves in place to convince a platform to even let you BORROW enough to sell short for any sort of worthwhile profit? And what platorm do you plan on using in case you miraculously get this price drop information clairvoyance?
06-15-2008, 06:28 PM
#246
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[quote=OscartheGrouch;404360]Might I suggest you read excerpts from the Koran that say it is okay to lie to an infidel to further the cause of Islam. After all, the infidel is but an unbeliever and if he will not convert, kill him. Or the excerpt which suggests that there are two kinds of Jihad. One were you do not have the advantage over your enemy so lay low (sleeper jihad) until you have the advantage then(Jihad # 2) destroy your enemy. Treaties and agreements are after all, just agreements with the unbeliever and therefore are invalid when you are capable of defeating them.
Can we truly ever believe that they are not misleading or lying to us?/quote]
Unfortunately for those 19 bastards and bin laden, they didn't read (or couldn't read) their own book:
A number of "Believers" or Muslem-Americans were among the 3000 innocent killed that day by the 19 terrorists.
According to their book - Even if their killing of believers was unintentional, the illiterate bastards must pay the victims' families blood money, or the bastards must fast (many days for each victim).
Oh well, no virgins for you.
Maybe a case of the clap from some horned creature chasing you around in hell...
Can we truly ever believe that they are not misleading or lying to us?/quote]
Unfortunately for those 19 bastards and bin laden, they didn't read (or couldn't read) their own book:
A number of "Believers" or Muslem-Americans were among the 3000 innocent killed that day by the 19 terrorists.
According to their book - Even if their killing of believers was unintentional, the illiterate bastards must pay the victims' families blood money, or the bastards must fast (many days for each victim).
Oh well, no virgins for you.
Maybe a case of the clap from some horned creature chasing you around in hell...
06-15-2008, 07:55 PM
#247
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[QUOTE=SmoothOnTop;404916]
Smooth,
Yeah, some of this stuff is unbelievable. I am still waiting on CE750 (or anyone else)to justify his radical left wing websites he likes to quote. I frankly can't believe some of the things that blogs get away with and represent as facts.
Once again, I thank the moderators for allowing this discussion to take place. While some of the things I mention are extreme, I am still waiting for someone to dispute them as conspiracy or radical and continue the discussion with verifiable evidence to the contrary.
BTW for the book I suggested that CE750 read I was incorrect. It is "Because they hate" by Bridgette Gabrielle who was an eye witness to the "genocide" in Lebanon.
Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
Might I suggest you read excerpts from the Koran that say it is okay to lie to an infidel to further the cause of Islam. After all, the infidel is but an unbeliever and if he will not convert, kill him. Or the excerpt which suggests that there are two kinds of Jihad. One were you do not have the advantage over your enemy so lay low (sleeper jihad) until you have the advantage then(Jihad # 2) destroy your enemy. Treaties and agreements are after all, just agreements with the unbeliever and therefore are invalid when you are capable of defeating them.
Can we truly ever believe that they are not misleading or lying to us?/quote]
Unfortunately for those 19 bastards and bin laden, they didn't read (or couldn't read) their own book:
A number of "Believers" or Muslem-Americans were among the 3000 innocent killed that day by the 19 terrorists.
According to their book - Even if their killing of believers was unintentional, the illiterate bastards must pay the victims' families blood money, or the bastards must fast (many days for each victim).
Oh well, no virgins for you.
Maybe a case of the clap from some horned creature chasing you around in hell...
Can we truly ever believe that they are not misleading or lying to us?/quote]
Unfortunately for those 19 bastards and bin laden, they didn't read (or couldn't read) their own book:
A number of "Believers" or Muslem-Americans were among the 3000 innocent killed that day by the 19 terrorists.
According to their book - Even if their killing of believers was unintentional, the illiterate bastards must pay the victims' families blood money, or the bastards must fast (many days for each victim).
Oh well, no virgins for you.
Maybe a case of the clap from some horned creature chasing you around in hell...
Yeah, some of this stuff is unbelievable. I am still waiting on CE750 (or anyone else)to justify his radical left wing websites he likes to quote. I frankly can't believe some of the things that blogs get away with and represent as facts.
Once again, I thank the moderators for allowing this discussion to take place. While some of the things I mention are extreme, I am still waiting for someone to dispute them as conspiracy or radical and continue the discussion with verifiable evidence to the contrary.
BTW for the book I suggested that CE750 read I was incorrect. It is "Because they hate" by Bridgette Gabrielle who was an eye witness to the "genocide" in Lebanon.
Last edited by OscartheGrouch; 06-15-2008 at 08:01 PM.
06-15-2008, 08:01 PM
#248
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[QUOTE=OscartheGrouch;404968]
Smooth,
Yeah, some of this stuff is unbelievable. I am still waiting on CE750 to justify his radical left wing websites he likes to quote. I frankly can't believe some of the things that blogs get away with and represent as facts.
What can I say, I'm frankly at a loss for words.. I've said so much in this thread, if you re-read it, it answers most of your questions. In the end, you've got a American-centric world view, and I have a humanity-centric one. Call me what ever label you like, I don't see my brother humans as anything but brothers..
On the topic of Israel.. you claim they're not the aggressor.. well, all I can say is read your history on it, and it's founding.. Read the accounts of the British occupiers of Palestine and how they were also Murdered by the Jewish settlers... IT cuts both ways, but you seem to think it only cuts the one.
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
Smooth,
Yeah, some of this stuff is unbelievable. I am still waiting on CE750 to justify his radical left wing websites he likes to quote. I frankly can't believe some of the things that blogs get away with and represent as facts.
On the topic of Israel.. you claim they're not the aggressor.. well, all I can say is read your history on it, and it's founding.. Read the accounts of the British occupiers of Palestine and how they were also Murdered by the Jewish settlers... IT cuts both ways, but you seem to think it only cuts the one.
06-15-2008, 08:03 PM
#249
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Here, from my favorite "Liberal" 
on-line rag..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
on-line rag..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_Bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah
06-15-2008, 08:30 PM
#250
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And just so someone doesn't pull out the anti-semitic card..
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/je...t_zionism.html
and many, many, many more here: http://www.doublestandards.org/jaz1.html
oh, and my great grandfather was and died Jewish..
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/je...t_zionism.html
and many, many, many more here: http://www.doublestandards.org/jaz1.html
oh, and my great grandfather was and died Jewish..
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