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07-29-2018, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
It seems as if you guys work at airlines where the entire crew stays together. We don’t. Between the 5-7 of us there could be between 2-7 different pairings. We also usually say at different hotels from the FAs in the same city so it’s common to split and head for our private car and they do their own thing to get to their hotel with the lead FA being in charge if they are staying together.
In the few places we do stay at the hotel together it’s usually a Crew base so often they are going home or splitting up. It’s also usually a large city and the van runs on a schedule. In the situation where the FA gave me a hard time for not waiting I had no idea whether she was based there or overnighting. And it’s the same hotel in the same pickup location running on the same schedule it has been for years. Why do I need to babysit to the pickup site and then ride together to the sign in sheet. She (they) know where to go and we aren’t flying together tomorrow. I don’t walk with them to the Crew parking bus after a trip or pick them up at home before. What makes this any different?
And what camaraderie? Ever sat on a hotel van with a bunch of FAs complaining about passengers and the latest screwing by scheduling all in front of the driver and other riders. It’s embarrasing. I’d rather not. If we make it to the same bus great. If it’s on demand of course I won’t leave without and I’ll ask so make sure they are going to the hotel. If it’s on a schedule, see ya, I have no idea where they are going. Different FAs literally every leg. She was just looking for drama.
I also know I’m not in the minority because when I was a commuter it was always offline and by the time I got to the front to thank the pilots for the ride they were long gone almost always.
In the few places we do stay at the hotel together it’s usually a Crew base so often they are going home or splitting up. It’s also usually a large city and the van runs on a schedule. In the situation where the FA gave me a hard time for not waiting I had no idea whether she was based there or overnighting. And it’s the same hotel in the same pickup location running on the same schedule it has been for years. Why do I need to babysit to the pickup site and then ride together to the sign in sheet. She (they) know where to go and we aren’t flying together tomorrow. I don’t walk with them to the Crew parking bus after a trip or pick them up at home before. What makes this any different?
And what camaraderie? Ever sat on a hotel van with a bunch of FAs complaining about passengers and the latest screwing by scheduling all in front of the driver and other riders. It’s embarrasing. I’d rather not. If we make it to the same bus great. If it’s on demand of course I won’t leave without and I’ll ask so make sure they are going to the hotel. If it’s on a schedule, see ya, I have no idea where they are going. Different FAs literally every leg. She was just looking for drama.
I also know I’m not in the minority because when I was a commuter it was always offline and by the time I got to the front to thank the pilots for the ride they were long gone almost always.
I look after deadheading crewmembers who may be staying at out our hotel(s) as well. I’ve found, during my 40+ years in the business, that showing consideration and compassion goes a long way.
07-29-2018, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hetman
Back in my RJ days, I would stand in the hallway at the open door while the FA checked her room for security. Kinda harder to do now with 9-11 FAs. Crew is crew.
07-29-2018, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Wow, what a valiant knight in shining armor! Did any of these adult people who practically live in hotel rooms ASK for you to be their doting, overprotective, babysitter?
07-29-2018, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
we're not in the military.
The Pilot-In-Command is in command.
The crew, even F/A's that I've only worked with for 1 leg who might be going to a different hotel fit within my first general order.
Since I set the pace of operation for the most part, I get to decide when WE are ready. To that end I'm the last one though KCM/security if we're going as a crew. If the aircraft is an RON, I'm the last crew member off. I don't get on the crew van until all crew members going with us are on. At the hotel, they all sign in before me so I can be sure the room count is right and everyone knows their pickup time - even if they're with another crew the next day. International, I give them the rally point. If anyone in the crew wants someone to wait in the hall while they check their room, I do it.
They're fellow employees! I'm proud of my profession and my company. I want both to succeed.
Maybe if I was an Italian cruise boat captain I'd bail out on my crew early, but I'm not.
07-29-2018, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp
Calm down. This was standard for years at my airline after a flight attendant was raped in her room by someone hiding in her closet.
07-29-2018, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BeechedJet
It seems lately you're more likely to be falsely accused of rape by a fellow crewmwmber trying to deflect attention away from her repetitive dysfunctional behavior with alcohol, than you are to have problems with Chester hiding the closet.
There, I fixed your typo for you.
07-30-2018, 07:55 AM
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Why should We (the pilots) miss the van with them? Makes zero sense
If your working FA's are going to the same hotel as you, wait and go as a crew. If you currently are flying an RJ, learn how to be a leader, because right now, you appear to have zero S.A. and leadership skills. DH's and other flights are on their own, but seek out the DH's heading to the same hotel as a courtesy.
If you can't figure out why going as a group is a good thing, find another career where you won't be bothered by such annoyances. The Industry will be better for it.
Wow, what a valiant knight in shining armor! Did any of these adult people who practically live in hotel rooms ASK for you to be their doting, overprotective, babysitter?
It used to be common 20 years ago and not an attempt for a date. I don't do it anymore because it's more likely the clueless FA's of your generation will think I'm pulling a Weinstein.
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