Tool of the day
04-22-2012, 09:50 PM
#442
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Me to brand new to the airbus f/o after he sets the FCU altitude to below airport elevation and uses v/s at 3400'/min to high dive in. "that's not a really good idea, that's how airbus jets crash" Him, "well, I wouldn't have done it in the 737". Me, "then don't do it in the airbus". Same f/o going into LAS goes into TOGA for a RA that had us climb at 300 feet per minute. It was a really long Saturday.
Tool status comes from the fact that he insisted he was right.
Tool status comes from the fact that he insisted he was right.
Last edited by cactusmike; 04-22-2012 at 10:11 PM.
04-23-2012, 03:31 AM
#444
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Agreed. I hate it when guys or gals give a clearance to someone. Two thumbs down to that.
Originally Posted by buzzpat
I've never heard that in 30 years of flying. If there are guys doing it, they should be shot. I'm talking about the guys who immediately leap onto guard to verbally beat down someone who simply didn't flip the switch. Or flipped the switch incorrectly. Everybody makes mistakes and 99% of us are smart enough to figure it out about 5 seconds after we dork it up.
I hear guys do that every few months or so. I've never heard anyone try and impersonate ATC, that would be way beyond the line.
When I hear clearances into the ramp being given on guard I'll usually say something, or if they made at least 3 calls and can't realize why no one is answering.
Heard a guard Nazi last week chime in, not even after 3 secs;
"Your on Guard, Tard"
If only guys put in as much time and energy into not being an a-hole, as they do coming up with jokes.....if only.
04-23-2012, 05:05 AM
#446
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
is it possible that the guard police is actually small airport ATC, fss or mil tower and not always pilots?
I always thought a perfect job would be a contract ATC job at a place like Helena, Missoula, or Kalispel. Not a whole lot of traffic, no radar, and simple clearances.
I guess if you're bored enough you could police guard, but why not just come on to the internet forums and jerk with pilots by starting 10 Gojet threads or say "commuting is a choice".
I remember visiting the tower in BTL to deliver some mail that mistakingly came to our hanger (I was working line) and seeing the controller hurriedly hide the video chess window on his computer when I walked up the steps.
04-23-2012, 05:13 AM
#447
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Maybe I'm a tool then.
Story 1:
Flying a charter arriving Gainesville about 01:00 (tower not open). Some kid in a Cessna with an "ER" registration is trying to get "Tower" to clear him for take off back to Daytona Beach. Gainesville Radio came up on UNICOM once to tell him that Tower was closed. He asked them for takeoff clearance, which they refused, reminding him that they were Gainesville Radio. They gave up and stopped responding to him. Meanwhile, he's on the only lit runway and we would prefer not to take a charter to an alternate at 01:30. He is sort of in position about 1/3 down the active runway while having this conversation with no body. We're circling waiting for numbskull to clear the runway at this non towered airport. Finally, I cleared him to Daytona, "have a nice flight," and off he went to the East.
Story 2:
Flying along at 390 bored when I hear this corporate jet trying to call in range to some FBO on guard. Ignored it, until the pilot began pleading ...
"Hey Guys, come on, Mr. Smith gets really mad if his car isn't ready for him. We NEEED the Air Conditioning on and the drink ..."
I'm bored, so I reply, "say again instructions"
"Yeah, Mr. Smith requires the Black Mercedes be brought into the hangar, air conditioning on, diet coke in glass with ice, leave the trunk open..."
So I roger all of that ... "tell Mr. Smith we'll be ready for him"
"Thanks"
So, not sure I was helping, but at least things kept moving.
Story 1:
Flying a charter arriving Gainesville about 01:00 (tower not open). Some kid in a Cessna with an "ER" registration is trying to get "Tower" to clear him for take off back to Daytona Beach. Gainesville Radio came up on UNICOM once to tell him that Tower was closed. He asked them for takeoff clearance, which they refused, reminding him that they were Gainesville Radio. They gave up and stopped responding to him. Meanwhile, he's on the only lit runway and we would prefer not to take a charter to an alternate at 01:30. He is sort of in position about 1/3 down the active runway while having this conversation with no body. We're circling waiting for numbskull to clear the runway at this non towered airport. Finally, I cleared him to Daytona, "have a nice flight," and off he went to the East.
Story 2:
Flying along at 390 bored when I hear this corporate jet trying to call in range to some FBO on guard. Ignored it, until the pilot began pleading ...
"Hey Guys, come on, Mr. Smith gets really mad if his car isn't ready for him. We NEEED the Air Conditioning on and the drink ..."
I'm bored, so I reply, "say again instructions"
"Yeah, Mr. Smith requires the Black Mercedes be brought into the hangar, air conditioning on, diet coke in glass with ice, leave the trunk open..."
So I roger all of that ... "tell Mr. Smith we'll be ready for him"
"Thanks"
So, not sure I was helping, but at least things kept moving.
I think the guys who specifically go out of the way, eagerly waiting to mess with some one would qualify as a tool.
When there is an inordinate amount of Guard Nazis on frequency I like to pretend that I'm transmitting on guard without knowing it.
04-23-2012, 05:43 AM
#449
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Me to brand new to the airbus f/o after he sets the FCU altitude to below airport elevation and uses v/s at 3400'/min to high dive in. "that's not a really good idea, that's how airbus jets crash" Him, "well, I wouldn't have done it in the 737". Me, "then don't do it in the airbus". Same f/o going into LAS goes into TOGA for a RA that had us climb at 300 feet per minute. It was a really long Saturday.
Tool status comes from the fact that he insisted he was right.
Tool status comes from the fact that he insisted he was right.
Does Us Air teach the high energy visual in which you use open descent with everything hanging out? That's good for about 1000ft per mile. Sounds like someone needed some schooling.
04-23-2012, 06:04 AM
#450
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Only time I'll let someone know that their on guard is when they call ops or ramps and someone else answers them. Don't really see the need to screw with a fellow pilot like that.
A friendly heads-up is no problem.
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