Equating "accused touching of ass" with "touched against will" and with "nearly overpowered". You're not biased at all!

What was it, was your daughter "touched"? Or "nearly overpowered"?

I didn't say "touching of ass." She was groped and he backed her into a corner trying to kiss her forcibly and offering to take care of her financially. She told him to f off, was going to tell her father, who knew him, and got out of there fast.

Are you guys for real?

You are comparing what happened to your daughter with what "happened" to this girl sitting on a plane.

Being pushed into a corner isn't the same as being groped sitting in a seat.

You are much worse at assuming than the rest of the devil's advocate or "concrete evidence" advocates you wonder are real.

You are completely, unabashedly, biased.

And you are a typical pilot apologist who thinks "sky gods" can do nothing wrong. Plenty of pilots have deviant kinks, some worse than others. There have been regional pilots (such as yourself) who have been busted with huge files of kiddie porn. There has been a case of an Instructor at a major who was discovered with kiddie porn on his COMPANY laptop.

Pilots have murdered spouses and girlfriends then stolen Company jets and crashed them.

I personally saw a FedEx Captain bring his VERY YOUNG Chinese girlfriend/hooker to the hotel (free) happy hour night after night every week. How about the numerous Captains out there (you know who you are) who either can't keep their hands off F/As young enough to be their daughters OR bring their local hookers to the layover hotel bar.

The problem with you, cencal, is you are WAY to young to appreciate how horrific this kind of behavior is. You won't be able to apprecate it until you have teenage daughters. Until then, you're just a "boys will be boys" member of the pilot frat who see nothing wrong with "getting some" in whatever way gets your rocks off.

Disgusting.

Don't forget about murdering their wife then feeding the body through a woodchipper. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Packrat;1697546]And you are a typical pilot apologist who thinks "sky gods" can do nothing wrong. Plenty of pilots have deviant kinks, some worse than others. There have been regional pilots (such as yourself) who have been busted with huge files of kiddie porn. There has been a case of an Instructor at a major who was discovered with kiddie porn on his COMPANY laptop.

Pilots have murdered spouses and girlfriends then stolen Company jets and crashed them.

I personally saw a FedEx Captain bring his VERY YOUNG Chinese girlfriend/hooker to the hotel (free) happy hour night after night every week. How about the numerous Captains out there (you know who you are) who either can't keep their hands off F/As young enough to be their daughters OR bring their local hookers to the layover hotel bar.

The problem with you, cencal, is you are WAY to young to appreciate how horrific this kind of behavior is. You won't be able to apprecate it until you have teenage daughters. Until then, you're just a "boys will be boys" member of the pilot frat who see nothing wrong with "getting some" in whatever way gets your rocks off.

Disgusting.[/

Bravo !!!

LNL, I have been groped by women probably far more times than your daughter has been groped by men. Men rarely report stuff.

I've been groped by women too, and many times it's uncomfortable, but it *is* different, IMO. I don't claim to be particularly buff, but at the same time I also know that if needed, I can easily overpower just about any female I'll ever come in contact with. So while it might give me the willies if some woman makes unwanted contact with me, it never actually scares me. I can see how things would be different if the shoe were on the other foot.

We're still talking around the issue though. Its not the morality of groping or if victims deserve justice after an assault or how that is defined. The issue here is getting a felony rap (even an arrest record, which these days is almost as bad) simply from one person's verbal testimony and nothing else. That is completely unacceptable for anyone for any issue. That makes it a guilty until proven innocent system and that is a far greater threat to freedom than the occasional guilty person going free because their guilt couldn't be proven. Follow that line of reasoning that justifies that kind of guilty until proven system to its logical conclusion and the entire Bill of Rights has to be shredded but that's ok because "if it saves just one life…"

Amen, Gloopy.