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biigD 08-02-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1697792)
The issue here is getting a felony rap (even an arrest record, which these days is almost as bad) simply from one person's verbal testimony and nothing else. That is completely unacceptable for anyone for any issue.

I agree with this.

WhistlePig 08-02-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1697758)
LNL, I have been groped by women probably far more times than your daughter has been groped by men. Men rarely report stuff.

Groped. All. The. Time.

cardiomd 08-02-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1697783)
I've been groped by women too, and many times it's uncomfortable, but it *is* different, IMO. I don't claim to be particularly buff, but at the same time I also know that if needed, I can easily overpower just about any female I'll ever come in contact with. So while it might give me the willies if some woman makes unwanted contact with me, it never actually scares me. I can see how things would be different if the shoe were on the other foot.

Yes. Having a drunk girl give you an unwanted kiss or grope is a lot less scary or annoying, and yes, it does happen to males a lot.

A more correct analogy is a big gay male who may have a gun forcibly making sexual contact with you. All of a sudden it gets repulsive quickly, right?

Anyways the responses by a few here are exactly how this tragedy gets blown out of proportion, and why the judge did what he did to the cheers of that crowd. This also why in many legal systems one or two people can be thrown out of juries without reason by each team. Nobody is defending sexual predators. Nuances are lost on those with "agendas."

cardiomd 08-02-2014 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1697792)
We're still talking around the issue though. Its not the morality of groping or if victims deserve justice after an assault or how that is defined. The issue here is getting a felony rap (even an arrest record, which these days is almost as bad) simply from one person's verbal testimony and nothing else. That is completely unacceptable for anyone for any issue. That makes it a guilty until proven innocent system and that is a far greater threat to freedom than the occasional guilty person going free because their guilt couldn't be proven. Follow that line of reasoning that justifies that kind of guilty until proven system to its logical conclusion and the entire Bill of Rights has to be shredded but that's ok because "if it saves just one life…"


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 1697796)
Amen, Gloopy.


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1697800)
I agree with this.

I further agree. I'd argue that the sex offender registry could be worse than the felony. He can't live in many communities, he will likely never be hired again. He is lumped in with rapists, child molesters, and murderers. We also have to now pay for jail time. But that is other peoples' money, right?

For the "think-of-the-children" crowd, think about the now convict's high-school daughter, who will never have friends over to the house ever again, who will be ruthlessly teased about her buns-grabbing daddy. It is not a setup for success for her (innocent) or this family. They may have to move if they are less than 1000 feet from a school or day care, or if their private community forces them out.

Yes, I would argue this judge ruined his life, when it could have been a reasonable outcome (maybe something like 5 year probation, avoiding females < 18 years old, 200 hours community service + court costs.)

United States Department of Justice National Sex Offender Public Website

Packrat 08-02-2014 02:08 PM

Seriously, you guys? "Ew, I got groped by a girl!"

I'm betting ALL of you bragged to your buddies, "She couldn't keep her hands off me!"

It's a whole different ball game for women. As a rule, they're smaller and weaker. They, unlike you, have internal sexual organs that can be forcibly violated.

Why is it when a male teacher violates a female student, you are nauseated, but when a female teacher does a young male, you secretly wish it had been you?

rickair7777 08-02-2014 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 1697891)

Yes, I would argue this judge ruined his life, when it could have been a reasonable outcome (maybe something like 5 year probation, avoiding females < 18 years old, 200 hours community service + court costs.)

United States Department of Justice National Sex Offender Public Website


I don't have an issue with his life being ruined IF he's guilty. A guy his age with kids who doesn't know better than to do what he did would probably commit full-on rape if he thought for sure he could get away with it. He'd probably do anything at all if he could get away with it.

My issue is that the whole case is very much he-said/she-said with no objective evidence whatsoever. I think he's guilty, but not beyond a reasonable doubt and I don't really think you can achieve that standard in this situation.

biigD 08-02-2014 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1697933)
Why is it when a male teacher violates a female student, you are nauseated, but when a female teacher does a young male, you secretly wish it had been you?

Honestly, it depends on how attractive the teacher is. Same with the groping. If that makes me a pig, so be it, but I can't control how creeped out I'd be in different situations.

Again, it boils down to not having to worry that the groping will escalate beyond some threshold. In the back of my mind, I know that I'm ultimately in control with how far down the path it goes. If I want it to stop, I can make it stop. Of course a female in the reverse situation can't always say the same thing.

If I thought I was in danger of being raped, I'd absolutely have a problem with unwanted contact, even by an attractive woman.

Mesabah 08-02-2014 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1697933)
Seriously, you guys? "Ew, I got groped by a girl!"

I'm betting ALL of you bragged to your buddies, "She couldn't keep her hands off me!"

It's a whole different ball game for women. As a rule, they're smaller and weaker. They, unlike you, have internal sexual organs that can be forcibly violated.

Why is it when a male teacher violates a female student, you are nauseated, but when a female teacher does a young male, you secretly wish it had been you?

What in the hell are you talking about? No one here is discussing rape.

By the way, Samuel Colt made us all equals.

Dolphinflyer 08-02-2014 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1697933)
Why is it when a male teacher violates a female student, you are nauseated, but when a female teacher does a young male, you secretly wish it had been you?

Ok, let's clear this one up. I've seen one female teacher out of the many mug shots in the media that I'd secretly wish it had been me at that age. The rest of the pack were ugly, fat, nasty hags that I'd be in therapy until age 90 for ever getting near them.

The one? That FL blonde FL hotttie teach, Debra Lefave. I don't care how many million times you look at it, that one gets a pass. Your average overweight, late 40's, hair losing slob would love to walk around saying, yah' man', that was me she was nailin' as a kid :D

80ktsClamp 08-02-2014 06:44 PM



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