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05-20-2015, 05:52 PM
#6263
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).
05-20-2015, 07:37 PM
#6264
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Originally Posted by iceman49
Or maybe they should not be running them at 180 to a 5 mile final.
well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).
05-21-2015, 08:57 AM
#6265
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Originally Posted by aewanabe
well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).
05-21-2015, 11:26 AM
#6266
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Originally Posted by ATLTRACON
They guy/gal who decides to slow their aircraft without saying anything to ATC. This might be fine in Fargo (nothing against Fargo, loved the movie) but when 20+ aircraft are behind you, and spacing is predicated on you not slowing cause "I heard you tell the last guy short approach so I was setting up for one" or any other excuse, causes a massive chain reaction. I've seen this day in and day out lately and some of the chain reactions I've seen just this week were downright dangerous.
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Just ask
And if a guy is slowing down and putting you in a kerfuffle, why not speak up? NYC TRACON doesn't have a problem with "don't slow down yet, I didn't tell you to slow down".
I remember doing the expressway visual in LGA a long time ago and slowed 20 kts, you'd think I just kidnapped the contreoller's daughter with the fit he had on the radio.
05-21-2015, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
And if a guy is slowing down and putting you in a kerfuffle, why not speak up? NYC TRACON doesn't have a problem with "don't slow down yet, I didn't tell you to slow down".
I remember doing the expressway visual in LGA a long time ago and slowed 20 kts, you'd think I just kidnapped the contreoller's daughter with the fit he had on the radio.
I remember doing the expressway visual in LGA a long time ago and slowed 20 kts, you'd think I just kidnapped the contreoller's daughter with the fit he had on the radio.
05-21-2015, 11:53 AM
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How about "Otis 2345, cleared visual approach runway 25".
To me (and the FAA) this means speed is at the discretion of the pilot.
Is it inferred or expected that you maintain 180kts to final?
To me (and the FAA) this means speed is at the discretion of the pilot.
Is it inferred or expected that you maintain 180kts to final?
05-21-2015, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Agreed. I'd put the NYC and ORD controllers at the top of the list.
All these people know how to move traffic.
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