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05-20-2015 | 05:52 PM

#6271

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by aewanabe

well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).

You're not serious, are you? Every airliner I've flown has had no problem with 180 to the marker and being configured and normally on speed by 1000 (we require configured by 1000 and on speed+spooled by 500) unless there is a good tailwind.

05-20-2015 | 07:37 PM

#6272

captjns

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Originally Posted by iceman49

Or maybe they should not be running them at 180 to a 5 mile final.

and aewanabe thinks...

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well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).

Normal ops in Euroland, Austral Asia and many other parts of the world. Works good, saves a lot of gas. Always been fully configured flaps 40 on target checklist complete by 1,000' on the 800/900.

05-21-2015 | 08:57 AM

#6273

LIOG41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aewanabe

well for one, if your company requires being stable at 1000 it's not gonna happen from 180 at 5 (unless vapp is 160 or so).

No problems with 170 or 180 to 5 out...but it's better if it's 8 out just so you can say that on the radio.

05-21-2015 | 11:26 AM

#6274

John Carr

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Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

They guy/gal who decides to slow their aircraft without saying anything to ATC. This might be fine in Fargo (nothing against Fargo, loved the movie) but when 20+ aircraft are behind you, and spacing is predicated on you not slowing cause "I heard you tell the last guy short approach so I was setting up for one" or any other excuse, causes a massive chain reaction. I've seen this day in and day out lately and some of the chain reactions I've seen just this week were downright dangerous.

Just ask

Your username has ATL, so I'll run with that. But it's funny when in ORD you get told "expect a short approach", that usually means you'll be getting a 10 mile final. As opposed to going half way out over the lake.

And if a guy is slowing down and putting you in a kerfuffle, why not speak up? NYC TRACON doesn't have a problem with "don't slow down yet, I didn't tell you to slow down".

I remember doing the expressway visual in LGA a long time ago and slowed 20 kts, you'd think I just kidnapped the contreoller's daughter with the fit he had on the radio.

05-21-2015 | 11:34 AM

#6275

biigD

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Hahaha - I bet! The spacing they use at LGA is tighter than I've seen anywhere else. It's unreal what they make work.

05-21-2015 | 11:36 AM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by biigD

Hahaha - I bet! The spacing they use at LGA is tighter than I've seen anywhere else. It's unreal what they make work.

Agreed. I'd put the NYC and ORD controllers at the top of the list.

05-21-2015 | 11:53 AM

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How about "Otis 2345, cleared visual approach runway 25".

To me (and the FAA) this means speed is at the discretion of the pilot.

Is it inferred or expected that you maintain 180kts to final?

05-21-2015 | 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carr

Agreed. I'd put the NYC and ORD controllers at the top of the list.

Add the folks who work DCA.

All these people know how to move traffic.

05-21-2015 | 12:22 PM

#6279

John Carr

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Originally Posted by Flubber

Add the folks who work DCA.

All these people know how to move traffic.

DCA, yes.

The IAD sectors, meh......

Being based in IAD before, the jury is still out.

05-21-2015 | 12:44 PM

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There's a woman that works BOS, and listening to her work a horribly busy Ground frequency is once of the most impressive things I've heard in my career. She's a friggin' machine!