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saxman66 07-14-2016 08:51 PM

Not just hotel vans but the guys that yell at anyone for anything. I've had a couple guys just rail on the guy on the ops radio on how the flights are over-blocked, as if he had set the airlines schedules up. Or just yelling on the ops freq for not having rampers or something out of this control.

GogglesPisano 07-15-2016 05:29 AM

If you raise your voice, you've lost the argument.

CBreezy 07-15-2016 05:48 AM

I'd like to nominate the LGA clearance controller last night for the tantrum he was throwing for the better part of an hour because he had to do his job. Some of the more memorable quotes: "I'm going to shut this frequency down if you people keep calling me" "No, I'm not verifying anything, you can verify your route with center when you're airborne."

From Delta: "Are we still on the GLDMN climb?"
DLV: "I don't know! What did we give you 3 hours ago? That's your clearance."
Delta: But we returned the gate and company refiled.
DLV: you know what, they need to stop doing that. I give you permission to fly, your company doesn't. I'm not telling you anything. What I gave you originally is your clearance.

chucknorris 07-15-2016 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2161754)
I'd like to nominate the LGA clearance controller last night for the tantrum he was throwing for the better part of an hour because he had to do his job. Some of the more memorable quotes: "I'm going to shut this frequency down if you people keep calling me" "No, I'm not verifying anything, you can verify your route with center when you're airborne."

From Delta: "Are we still on the GLDMN climb?"
DLV: "I don't know! What did we give you 3 hours ago? That's your clearance."
Delta: But we returned the gate and company refiled.
DLV: you know what, they need to stop doing that. I give you permission to fly, your company doesn't. I'm not telling you anything. What I gave you originally is your clearance.

I've always like NYC controllers, the one liners are classic. That said, jfk's shenanigans are cheeky and fun. It seems lga's shenanigans have turned cruel and tradgic.

Joking aside... File an irregularity report. The FAA will read it and investigate it. The last thing that needs to happen here is center being overwhelmed by aircraft flying on wrong routes and worse, aircraft flying "too close to each other" in the tight confines of the airspace all 3 airports share.

Packrat 07-15-2016 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 2161620)
I'll give them an extra 5, maybe 10, then I cab it and either the front desk pays, or I expense it and get reimbursed 6 weeks later. No reason to get the blood pressure up over and get angry.

Exactly. I would wait the contractual time then throw the whole crew in cabs, pay for it myself then expense it. Never heard a word from the Company over the expense report.

Easy, peasy and you look like a hero to the crew.

prex8390 07-15-2016 05:09 PM

Eviiilll shananighans

joepilot 07-17-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2161300)
I feel like this is starting to become a regular trend for me but crew members that throw little kid tantrums when the hotel van isn't immediately outside when we walk out.

It's really embarrassing to be standing outside with a crew member throwing a fit becuase we have been out there all of 2 minutes and you've decided to call the hotel twice and cuss out the poor desk clerk about the whereabouts of his van and call him a liar saying he would be there. And then continue to Vent and steam in front of passengers also at the curb. It reflects poorly on us.

I get it when it's a stand up or a 10-12 hour overnight but when we have 18+ hours at the XYZ airport north/south/east/west hotel, just chill out a minute. And don't make me call the hotel either. I'm not the one who lost my temper. Enjoy the nice day out and have a little patience.

I don't know what your contract says, but at "my house", if the transport is not ready to leave 30 minutes after block-in, it is time to expense a taxi.

If you don't have some protections in your contract, then it is time to lean on your reps about the next contract.

Joe

SpeedyVagabond 07-17-2016 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2161747)
If you raise your voice, you've lost the argument.

What if I'm yelling down from the cokpit to tell the increasingly lazy "team members" working the ramp to go get a headset after they indicate to me the one they have doesn't work? I guess I win because they always slowly shuffle away and shuffle back with one.

prex8390 07-17-2016 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by joepilot (Post 2163015)
I don't know what your contract says, but at "my house", if the transport is not ready to leave 30 minutes after block-in, it is time to expense a taxi.

If you don't have some protections in your contract, then it is time to lean on your reps about the next contract.

Joe

We have the same provisions in our contract thankfully, my point was, if the van isnt there, and you wait, and eventually doesnt come an you need a cab, get one. No reason to embarrass yourself and throw a fit about it because you missed happy hour at Chilis. Its just awkward when your Captain, the leader of the crew is having a temper tantrum when we have been waiting just a few minutes. Sometimes thats life and you need to wait 2-5 minutes. Take the cab, expense it, file a hotel complaint and get on with your life.

flyboyike 07-18-2016 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2163040)
We have the same provisions in our contract thankfully, my point was, if the van isnt there, and you wait, and eventually doesnt come an you need a cab, get one. No reason to embarrass yourself and throw a fit about it because you missed happy hour at Chilis. Its just awkward when your Captain, the leader of the crew is having a temper tantrum when we have been waiting just a few minutes. Sometimes thats life and you need to wait 2-5 minutes. Take the cab, expense it, file a hotel complaint and get on with your life.

Especially since Chilli's happy hour is all day.


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