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Old 09-04-2017 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
Pilots vehemently defend what they BELIEVE is in the Constitution every day to captive audiences. I'd rather teach pigs to sing then to explain what the holdings in certain cases really mean, how limited the USC jurisdiction really is, how no one who means a damn, except other liked minded pilots, is impressed by quoting random dicta like bible verses to "prove" their point about whatever. Bless their hearts.
Here's a first amendment lesson...

The First limits the GOVERNMENT's ability to restrict your speech (federal, State and Local).

It in no way protects you from non-government interference with your speech. So your employer, union, etc can limit your speech and then sanction you (firing, etc) if you don't comply. There are a few exceptions which are codified in laws other than the First (ie labor organizing is protected speech).

In that spirit, APC temporarily banned CRXPILOT for over-the-top, uncivil, and outrageous speech in this case.

As someone pointed out, wishing members of judicial system dead is an attack on the system itself. The Narcos down south whack their judges all the time...is that how we want to live?
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Old 09-04-2017 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Here's a first amendment lesson...

The First limits the GOVERNMENT's ability to restrict your speech (federal, State and Local).
To clarify, 1st protects you from the Federal Government only... under incorporation (via the 14th) do you get protection from state/local.

Just sayin'
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Old 09-04-2017 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto
To clarify, 1st protects you from the Federal Government only... under incorporation (via the 14th) do you get protection from state/local.

Just sayin'
Yes, the 14th has been interpreted over time to essentially apply the entire bill of rights and all amendments to state and local governments (as I understand it).
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Old 09-04-2017 | 04:47 PM
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The first amendement protect your right to free speech. In most cases it does not protect you from possible consequence of said speech. I.e. Your employer.
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Old 09-04-2017 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by qball
The first amendement protect your right to free speech. In most cases it does not protect you from possible consequence of said speech. I.e. Your employer.
It doesn't protect all speech. Even free speech has limits
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Old 09-04-2017 | 08:30 PM
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...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.
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Old 09-04-2017 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.
That's the 2nd.
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Old 09-04-2017 | 09:49 PM
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Bear Arms for everybody!
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Old 09-05-2017 | 12:12 AM
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Why is there any confuzzle? Get lippy on APC and see what happens..
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Old 09-05-2017 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.
Originally Posted by Lemons
That's the 2nd.
The first is the most important.

The second ensures that we get to keep the first.
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