Advance of automation
06-11-2012 | 07:28 PM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
(Warning: These statements and most of my other "factual" information have been taken out of context, but it is still accurate for my purposes. (Agenda).
I realize that most of you here are retired or are about to
06-12-2012 | 11:40 AM
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Weekends off? HA!
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Before Terminator there was "Colossus"...
Colossus: The Forbin Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Same story line.
Colossus: The Forbin Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Same story line.
06-12-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Organizational Learning
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From: Directly behind the combiner
It's not news -- it's your broken drum which you keep beating.
Remember the last thread you started on APC? I do. It started like this:
4-24-2012 -- "The Ugly Truth"
Same guy, Bill Voss, and same painful attempt by you to support your agenda by taking him out of context, and ignoring the facts which contradict your dream. Yes, I said dream, because that's what you'd like to see happen so you'd feel better about yourself for quitting the profession. Your new dream seems to be to get some sort of sick satisfaction by trying to crush other peoples' dreams just because you gave up on yours. Since you failed, you'll see how many other failures you can take down with you.
Same song, 83rd verse ...
The thread started the same way; now let me remind you of how it "ended."
Reading comprehension, SkyHigh. C O M P R E H E N S I O N
I don't care if the words came from God on high, if you don't understand them, they won't do you a bit of good. You took a message and tried to fit it into your view of the world, and it doesn't fit. You would know that if you could read and understand.
You obviously did NOT view the video. (The time between my post and yours confirms that.)
What are you afraid of?
The truth shouldn't hurt ...
And that's where you stopped posting. You never responded. You never answered. For all I know, you never viewed the "Children of the Magenta" video. You had no answer.
So, did you think you could wait a month, start a new thread on the same topic, make the same claims, and we'll forget how you couldn't respond to the case against your argument?
We could merge the two threads and it is plain that you're intent on repeating your mantra and ignoring facts which contradict it. That's not healthy.
.
Remember the last thread you started on APC? I do. It started like this:
4-24-2012 -- "The Ugly Truth"
Pilots Back Up Automation
by ROBERT P. MARK
A quote from Flight Safety Foundation CEO Bill Voss
April 23, 2012, 7:12 PM
"Five years ago we passed the point where automation was there to back up pilots," said Flight Safety Foundation CEO Bill Voss at last week's Flight Safety Foundation Corporate Aviation Safety Seminar in San Antonio. "Clearly today, the pilot is there to be the backup to the automation." Voss told AIN "This is simply a realistic assessment of the world today, except we are not training pilots to be backups to automation. We have to own up to the fact that we need develop new kinds of pilot training," he said.
Voss added that human pilots too often lose the mental picture of the aircraft's automation. "If pilots have no idea of what the automation should be doing, they also have no idea of whether everything they observe on the panel represents a normal operation. That's what happened to Air France 447," he said.
"This is not just about better stick and rudder skills though," he explained. "What you die from is not understanding what configuration will keep the aircraft in the air safely. If pilots don't understand that level flight means two-and-a-half degrees of pitch and 93-percent N1, they have no way of manually controlling that aircraft if something breaks. But the training department can't fix everything. This is also an operational problem out on the line."
We have debated this topic here for many years now. I would say that this is more supporting evidence that the computer actually flies the plane and the pilot manages the computer. A link to the article is listed below
Skyhigh
Voss Says Pilots Must Back Up Automation | Aviation International News
by ROBERT P. MARK
A quote from Flight Safety Foundation CEO Bill Voss
April 23, 2012, 7:12 PM
"Five years ago we passed the point where automation was there to back up pilots," said Flight Safety Foundation CEO Bill Voss at last week's Flight Safety Foundation Corporate Aviation Safety Seminar in San Antonio. "Clearly today, the pilot is there to be the backup to the automation." Voss told AIN "This is simply a realistic assessment of the world today, except we are not training pilots to be backups to automation. We have to own up to the fact that we need develop new kinds of pilot training," he said.
Voss added that human pilots too often lose the mental picture of the aircraft's automation. "If pilots have no idea of what the automation should be doing, they also have no idea of whether everything they observe on the panel represents a normal operation. That's what happened to Air France 447," he said.
"This is not just about better stick and rudder skills though," he explained. "What you die from is not understanding what configuration will keep the aircraft in the air safely. If pilots don't understand that level flight means two-and-a-half degrees of pitch and 93-percent N1, they have no way of manually controlling that aircraft if something breaks. But the training department can't fix everything. This is also an operational problem out on the line."
We have debated this topic here for many years now. I would say that this is more supporting evidence that the computer actually flies the plane and the pilot manages the computer. A link to the article is listed below
Skyhigh
Voss Says Pilots Must Back Up Automation | Aviation International News
Same guy, Bill Voss, and same painful attempt by you to support your agenda by taking him out of context, and ignoring the facts which contradict your dream. Yes, I said dream, because that's what you'd like to see happen so you'd feel better about yourself for quitting the profession. Your new dream seems to be to get some sort of sick satisfaction by trying to crush other peoples' dreams just because you gave up on yours. Since you failed, you'll see how many other failures you can take down with you.
Same song, 83rd verse ...
The thread started the same way; now let me remind you of how it "ended."
I don't care if the words came from God on high, if you don't understand them, they won't do you a bit of good. You took a message and tried to fit it into your view of the world, and it doesn't fit. You would know that if you could read and understand.
You obviously did NOT view the video. (The time between my post and yours confirms that.)
What are you afraid of?
The truth shouldn't hurt ...
And that's where you stopped posting. You never responded. You never answered. For all I know, you never viewed the "Children of the Magenta" video. You had no answer.
So, did you think you could wait a month, start a new thread on the same topic, make the same claims, and we'll forget how you couldn't respond to the case against your argument?
We could merge the two threads and it is plain that you're intent on repeating your mantra and ignoring facts which contradict it. That's not healthy.
.
06-12-2012 | 09:38 PM
#20
With The Resistance
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From: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Ouch, that is going to leave a mark. I noticed the same thing but it wasn't worth the time.
The truth only hurts if it should.
Sky, the real money is in showing us how the alternatives work.
The truth only hurts if it should.
Sky, the real money is in showing us how the alternatives work.
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