Advance of automation
06-14-2012 | 02:58 PM
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Pays the bills
I found an article stating that fully-automated property managers are coming soon. Most existing property managers are already on full autopilot as we know, but this is much more. The article said the automated property manager could all but eliminate the need for twenty-four year olds doing this job. It went on to say the technology can inspect dumpsters, call a tow truck, distribute flyers, charge a pet fee, raise the rent, and write an inane monthly newsletter as well as any human! I was flabbergasted. I am writing my congressman.
It isn't rocket science but it pays the bills better than any flying job I ever had or hoped to have. And that is my point, a lot of the things I do as a property manager are simple and humiliating but my value to society is much higher than when I was a pilot.
A guy in my town can make as much as a thousand bucks a day mowing lawns. (see work below) To me that is humiliating because as an airline pilot I only took home $ 492 every two weeks and was gone from base over 400 hours a month.
Why is it that simple jobs are often worth more than being a pilot? I am not trying to demean anyone but this should be alarming to pilots. Instead of arguing with me about mailmen pilots should rise up and fight for the profession.
I would be more than happy to be a mindless automaton for the airlines but I need to be paid and I need some professional security. Property managers are in demand and in every town. Not only does it pay the bills but my services are in demand and that is satisfying.
Skyhigh
$ 40/mow 4 mows per hour 8 hours in a day = $1280.
06-14-2012 | 03:05 PM
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[QUOTE=SkyHigh;1212098]Your hands are on the controls but it is the director of flight operations and Airbus who are the ones who are actually flying the plane. As airline pilots our decisions and reactions are pre-planned by engineers and managers. Our job is to be able to regurgitate their instructions at the appointed time and situation.
Besides that I an not an Airbus pilot but from what I know the pilot tells the plane what he/she wants it to do and the plane decides if and how it will accomplish that, so who really is flying the plane? It seems to me that at best the pilot of an Airbus is directing the flight computer and the flight computer flies the plane.
Ergo The pride of Airbus "Our planes are pilot proof". Please Airbus guys don't be shy and correct me if I am wrong.
Man and all this time I thought I was the one who decided if it was truly safe to deviate left or right through a squall line. Then get to the airport and decide if it was safe to land before or after X minutes of a windshear advisory, breaking action etc. Pretty sure I routinely hand fly to FL290 and hand fly approaches. I also have to hand fly landings the autopilot is not capable of doing! When it all goes to hell we "PILOTS" are the ones who have to bring the aircraft home safe.
Every modern airliner is now computer controlled to some extent and the 777 is fly by wire. All I know of can be overridden by the pilot if needed. All that pilot proof stuff really worked out for AF447. The seasoned Captain after returning to the cockpit ascertained the problem and probably could have saved the aircraft had he been in the cockpit when the malfunction started.
You are right about one thing you are not a Airbus pilot nor a airline pilot.
Skyhigh[/QUO
Besides that I an not an Airbus pilot but from what I know the pilot tells the plane what he/she wants it to do and the plane decides if and how it will accomplish that, so who really is flying the plane? It seems to me that at best the pilot of an Airbus is directing the flight computer and the flight computer flies the plane.
Ergo The pride of Airbus "Our planes are pilot proof". Please Airbus guys don't be shy and correct me if I am wrong.
Man and all this time I thought I was the one who decided if it was truly safe to deviate left or right through a squall line. Then get to the airport and decide if it was safe to land before or after X minutes of a windshear advisory, breaking action etc. Pretty sure I routinely hand fly to FL290 and hand fly approaches. I also have to hand fly landings the autopilot is not capable of doing! When it all goes to hell we "PILOTS" are the ones who have to bring the aircraft home safe.
Every modern airliner is now computer controlled to some extent and the 777 is fly by wire. All I know of can be overridden by the pilot if needed. All that pilot proof stuff really worked out for AF447. The seasoned Captain after returning to the cockpit ascertained the problem and probably could have saved the aircraft had he been in the cockpit when the malfunction started.
You are right about one thing you are not a Airbus pilot nor a airline pilot.
Skyhigh[/QUO
06-14-2012 | 03:17 PM
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Property manager job
My job is quite simple really. I am the intermediary between tenants, owners and subcontractors. My job is to manage expectations, direct actions and facilitate a document exchange between all parties. I would gladly be doing something else but this pays the bills and offers great benefits like getting to do whatever I want much of the time. I have no one boss just a hundred tiny ones. If I get frustrated by one I tell them to shove off without much consequence. The best part is that as time goes by I get better at my job and it takes even less time. I am then free to take on more clients or have more time at home.
As a property manager the older I get the more diversified and valued I become. Aside from my kindergartner needing to be to school by 8:20 I sleep till I awake and go to bed when I am tired. I do not miss getting up at 2:00AM at all.
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06-14-2012 | 03:19 PM
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Come on
[QUOTE=HIFLYR;1212115]
HIFLYR,
They still do not know about the Air France crash. Maybe the captain could have saves it or maybe the Airbus was rejecting the pilot inputs. I was an airline pilot and I know what you are talking about in regards to t-storms and the like. Pilots should be paid more and be treated better. At least half the problem is that they can take away pay and benefits and we are still here. That is the pilots fault. We give ourselves value by walking away.
Skyhigh
Your hands are on the controls but it is the director of flight operations and Airbus who are the ones who are actually flying the plane. As airline pilots our decisions and reactions are pre-planned by engineers and managers. Our job is to be able to regurgitate their instructions at the appointed time and situation.
Besides that I an not an Airbus pilot but from what I know the pilot tells the plane what he/she wants it to do and the plane decides if and how it will accomplish that, so who really is flying the plane? It seems to me that at best the pilot of an Airbus is directing the flight computer and the flight computer flies the plane.
Ergo The pride of Airbus "Our planes are pilot proof". Please Airbus guys don't be shy and correct me if I am wrong.
Man and all this time I thought I was the one who decided if it was truly safe to deviate left or right through a squall line. Then get to the airport and decide if it was safe to land before or after X minutes of a windshear advisory, breaking action etc. Pretty sure I routinely hand fly to FL290 and hand fly approaches. I also have to hand fly landings the autopilot is not capable of doing! When it all goes to hell we "PILOTS" are the ones who have to bring the aircraft home safe.
Every modern airliner is now computer controlled to some extent and the 777 is fly by wire. All I know of can be overridden by the pilot if needed. All that pilot proof stuff really worked out for AF447. The seasoned Captain after returning to the cockpit ascertained the problem and probably could have saved the aircraft had he been in the cockpit when the malfunction started.
You are right about one thing you are not a Airbus pilot nor a airline pilot.
Skyhigh[/QUO
Besides that I an not an Airbus pilot but from what I know the pilot tells the plane what he/she wants it to do and the plane decides if and how it will accomplish that, so who really is flying the plane? It seems to me that at best the pilot of an Airbus is directing the flight computer and the flight computer flies the plane.
Ergo The pride of Airbus "Our planes are pilot proof". Please Airbus guys don't be shy and correct me if I am wrong.
Man and all this time I thought I was the one who decided if it was truly safe to deviate left or right through a squall line. Then get to the airport and decide if it was safe to land before or after X minutes of a windshear advisory, breaking action etc. Pretty sure I routinely hand fly to FL290 and hand fly approaches. I also have to hand fly landings the autopilot is not capable of doing! When it all goes to hell we "PILOTS" are the ones who have to bring the aircraft home safe.
Every modern airliner is now computer controlled to some extent and the 777 is fly by wire. All I know of can be overridden by the pilot if needed. All that pilot proof stuff really worked out for AF447. The seasoned Captain after returning to the cockpit ascertained the problem and probably could have saved the aircraft had he been in the cockpit when the malfunction started.
You are right about one thing you are not a Airbus pilot nor a airline pilot.
Skyhigh[/QUO
They still do not know about the Air France crash. Maybe the captain could have saves it or maybe the Airbus was rejecting the pilot inputs. I was an airline pilot and I know what you are talking about in regards to t-storms and the like. Pilots should be paid more and be treated better. At least half the problem is that they can take away pay and benefits and we are still here. That is the pilots fault. We give ourselves value by walking away.
Skyhigh
06-14-2012 | 03:38 PM
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Highly Specialized job skills.
Another consequence of our profession is the highly concentrated and specialized nature of our skills and education. Outside of seniority number and employer it boils down to type, seat and level of currency. Get laid off for six month to a year and you can see your entire professional value sink to zero or below (unemployable period). Switch employers and start over at new hire pay and schedules.
As a result we are prisoners to our employer, type and format (Airline, corporate, bush ect...). Our employment directs where and how we live. Plumbers do not have this problem. The higher up the ladder you go the more perilous your existence becomes. Get laid off past 50 and you will most likely not recover.
I don't like that at all. I got laid off at 37 and it was a nightmare. Imagine being older with not enough years left to recover from the loss. We had a crazy old timer who would pump fuel at one of the flight schools I trained at. He would ramble on about how he was an Eastern Airlines big time captain yet here he was pumping gas in ragged clothes and in dire need of a haircut. I always though he was kidding but it turns out it was true.
He got laid off when Eastern went down and was not able to get another decent job. When I knew him he was in his 60s and pumping gas at minimum wage for a living. That always haunted me.
Skyhigh
As a result we are prisoners to our employer, type and format (Airline, corporate, bush ect...). Our employment directs where and how we live. Plumbers do not have this problem. The higher up the ladder you go the more perilous your existence becomes. Get laid off past 50 and you will most likely not recover.
I don't like that at all. I got laid off at 37 and it was a nightmare. Imagine being older with not enough years left to recover from the loss. We had a crazy old timer who would pump fuel at one of the flight schools I trained at. He would ramble on about how he was an Eastern Airlines big time captain yet here he was pumping gas in ragged clothes and in dire need of a haircut. I always though he was kidding but it turns out it was true.
He got laid off when Eastern went down and was not able to get another decent job. When I knew him he was in his 60s and pumping gas at minimum wage for a living. That always haunted me.
Skyhigh
06-14-2012 | 05:44 PM
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They still do not know about the Air France crash. Maybe the captain could have saves it or maybe the Airbus was rejecting the pilot inputs.
They know pretty much exactly what happened and the airbus does not "reject" pilot inputs. That A-330 was doing exactly what the pilot was telling it to do. If at any point while still at recoverable altitude the PF would have lowered the nose they would have flown out of the stall. And if any point at a recoverable altitude the PNF would have taken stick priority from the PF and lowered the nose they would have survived.
Unlike yourself I am not speaking from a point of conjecture and "I done heard about it from some guy.." I've got several thousand hours of Airbus time both as an F/O and a Capt.
The A-320 is so "pilot proof" that it's got one of the worst safety records in the transport category fleet in fact in the history of jet airliners. That airplane has a ton of little I gotchas that will kill you if you don't pay attention and if you're not on top of your game.
The fact is Sky you have no experience on most of the types of aircraft you speak so "authoritatively" about, you also have never worked at, been hired by a major. Have you even interviewed at one single solitary major airline?
Yet you bloviate about like a seasoned old airline pro. Why?
06-14-2012 | 06:06 PM
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Absolutely false ^^^^
They know pretty much exactly what happened and the airbus does not "reject" pilot inputs. That A-330 was doing exactly what the pilot was telling it to do. If at any point while still at recoverable altitude the PF would have lowered the nose they would have flown out of the stall. And if any point at a recoverable altitude the PNF would have taken stick priority from the PF and lowered the nose they would have survived.
Unlike yourself I am not speaking from a point of conjecture and "I done heard about it from some guy.." I've got several thousand hours of Airbus time both as an F/O and a Capt.
The A-320 is so "pilot proof" that it's got one of the worst safety records in the transport category fleet in fact in the history of jet airliners. That airplane has a ton of little I gotchas that will kill you if you don't pay attention and if you're not on top of your game.
The fact is Sky you have no experience on most of the types of aircraft you speak so "authoritatively" about, you also have never worked at, been hired by a major. Have you even interviewed at one single solitary major airline?
Yet you bloviate about like a seasoned old airline pro. Why?
They know pretty much exactly what happened and the airbus does not "reject" pilot inputs. That A-330 was doing exactly what the pilot was telling it to do. If at any point while still at recoverable altitude the PF would have lowered the nose they would have flown out of the stall. And if any point at a recoverable altitude the PNF would have taken stick priority from the PF and lowered the nose they would have survived.
Unlike yourself I am not speaking from a point of conjecture and "I done heard about it from some guy.." I've got several thousand hours of Airbus time both as an F/O and a Capt.
The A-320 is so "pilot proof" that it's got one of the worst safety records in the transport category fleet in fact in the history of jet airliners. That airplane has a ton of little I gotchas that will kill you if you don't pay attention and if you're not on top of your game.
The fact is Sky you have no experience on most of the types of aircraft you speak so "authoritatively" about, you also have never worked at, been hired by a major. Have you even interviewed at one single solitary major airline?
Yet you bloviate about like a seasoned old airline pro. Why?
Watch the news report please. You are attacking me for these concepts but they are all from the Nightline story from Wednesday last week. You know I love you guys but you like to swing at the flames and miss the fire. The airbus is a detail the debate is about how automation is robbing pilots of their value. I don't need to be an Airbus expert to see that.
Skyhigh
06-14-2012 | 06:14 PM
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06-14-2012 | 08:02 PM
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Skyhigh enough of your exagerations and lies.
I don't know with these knew fangled automated lawn mowers it could be possible. They've got drive gears and automatic grass height settings on these machines now days. The operator is nothing more than an automaton just walking behind or in some cases riding on the mower. It's always the same just cutting green grass one pass after another. Guys are only in the lawn care business for the money as the glory days of the old push rotary mowers is gone. That was back when a lawn boy was a respected and revered member of society!
Since when has the "news" EVER got anything right in regards to anything in aviation?
Answer: When Skyhigh needs it to be!
PS
Please stop regurgitating things and trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
Any chance you could regurgitate your qualifications to speak with such authority on these matters?
A couple of direct questions please try to answer them for a change. Lets see if you can regurgitate an honest answer or two.
1. Have you ever worked for a major/legacy airline?
2. Have you ever had an interview with a major/legacy airline?
3. If the answer to either of the above is no then why do you pretend to know so much about the process of getting hired at one and how do you know what it's like to work for one?
4. What neighborhood did you grow up in that had as a resident at least one example of every type airline pilot from extremely successful to flat ashed broke of which at least one worked for every airline that ever existed depending on your need for your agenda of the day?
Riddle me that?
The news report suggested that the computer was going against pilot inputs or was giving false indications because it was confused.
Answer: When Skyhigh needs it to be!
PS
Please stop regurgitating things and trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
Any chance you could regurgitate your qualifications to speak with such authority on these matters?
A couple of direct questions please try to answer them for a change. Lets see if you can regurgitate an honest answer or two.
1. Have you ever worked for a major/legacy airline?
2. Have you ever had an interview with a major/legacy airline?
3. If the answer to either of the above is no then why do you pretend to know so much about the process of getting hired at one and how do you know what it's like to work for one?
4. What neighborhood did you grow up in that had as a resident at least one example of every type airline pilot from extremely successful to flat ashed broke of which at least one worked for every airline that ever existed depending on your need for your agenda of the day?
Riddle me that?
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