Bloomberg-Pilot Shortage Keeps Majors Worried
07-05-2016, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinBishop
The reality is that burdensome and overbearing regulations keep the cost of flying high (121 can scale the economics to compensate though), but in order for the smaller operators to still be in business costs have to be cut somewhere, and that is labor. In other words, the government is keeping less experienced pilots poor.
Obviously a 10,000TT pilot is (usually) worth more than a 500 hr pilot, and should be paid as such. However there is no excuse not to be able to make a living wage as a low time professional pilot. But this isn't possible because of the way the government has structured the regulations.
Obviously a 10,000TT pilot is (usually) worth more than a 500 hr pilot, and should be paid as such. However there is no excuse not to be able to make a living wage as a low time professional pilot. But this isn't possible because of the way the government has structured the regulations.
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07-05-2016, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
He was pointing out that the Millenials weren't smarter in any way to reap the benefits they are receiving. They just came along at the right time. Timing works both ways, and that's what he was highlighting.
What benefits are they receiving for not going into flying as a profession? A better, more stable career? What do they know they that he didn't back when he came up through the ranks?
I'm as guilty as him, I'm a millennial too but paid for my certs, worked as a CFI, a regional, and now a major. I was stupid. At least people these days see what a horrible career it is and stay away. To spend $60k-$80k in ratings, another couple years earning $20k-$30k, all for a CHANCE to make it to a well paying major it's crazy. If the certs were transferable to another career it would be worth it but you are so locked in with a specific skill set, a pilot's license is worse than getting an underwater basket weaving degree from a community college.
07-05-2016, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Dude, compared to what we went through in the 1990's, when you needed 1,200 TT and at least 250 Multi to even hope for a chance to buy an $18K/yr job at a commuter (probably a crapped-out 19-seater at that) You've got it easy. If you didn't have the cash to buy a job you'd need 2,500/500 to be competitive. That meant a year or two of hauling checks or 135.
Having to wait 2-3 years to fly a jet, my God, how do you cope?
Having to wait 2-3 years to fly a jet, my God, how do you cope?
07-05-2016, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Again thanks for pointing out just how ridiculous and stupid it was to pursue piloting as a career back then.
07-05-2016, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Not stupid or ridiculous if it's something you really want to do. If you're a bit more flexible with your goals then, yes: it would be ridiculous.
07-05-2016, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers
It's no different now
07-05-2016, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
If the certs were transferable to another career it would be worth it but you are so locked in with a specific skill set, a pilot's license is worse than getting an underwater basket weaving degree from a community college.
07-05-2016, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Bravo, Martin. Instead of blaming poor pilot pay on economics and the free market, you've managed to blame it on ... the gubermint.
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07-05-2016, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
Saw the downturn of the beginning of the 90's and the one on the 00's....., rug pulled from underneath several times in everything from corporate to charter to the airlines....., but somehow I always managed to land on my feet and keep providing for my family...., sure, many of those times I had to think creatively, in many cases go work abroad and everything else that we have learned to accept with this paid hobby of ours...., But overall I have manage to live a pretty good life with my license, managed to create a side business and enjoy myself. Not sure that I would have the satisfaction that I have had as a pilot with any o'l 9to5 really...!
07-05-2016, 10:43 AM
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I still don't get the responses from the old gumpys. Pay and career potential has done nothing but gone up yet it's still NO WHERE near the level of return of most general 4-year degrees and now millennials are entitled and lazy because they don't want to enter the profession. That just shows how bad and stupid it was 'way back when'.
Sure, for some it paid off, but I 100% fully admit I and others like me who have made it to the majors have gotten exceedingly lucky. There are many, many guys out there who finally gave up after furloughs, crap pay, right seat regional F/O for the 2nd or 3rd time, etc. Lots of guys flying night freight for a South FL operator or flying for a charter outfit making $50k-$75k a year if they're lucky on call 25 days a month. This career sucks and unless Uncle Sam buys you your certs it's a crapshoot if you make it to a major in a reasonable amount of time or not.
Sure, for some it paid off, but I 100% fully admit I and others like me who have made it to the majors have gotten exceedingly lucky. There are many, many guys out there who finally gave up after furloughs, crap pay, right seat regional F/O for the 2nd or 3rd time, etc. Lots of guys flying night freight for a South FL operator or flying for a charter outfit making $50k-$75k a year if they're lucky on call 25 days a month. This career sucks and unless Uncle Sam buys you your certs it's a crapshoot if you make it to a major in a reasonable amount of time or not.
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