Right. And the HAL flights cost half as much because it's so much cheaper to operate in Hawaii and no one takes spring break there.
You guys operate airplanes with this logic?
Last time: Good on SWA for choosing to price according to market demand. Keep up the good work.

I made no comment other than to explain the cost of the pairings you’ve picked. I can’t help that they continue to be poor examples.

Btw, I would also suspect that TUL to LBB is a two legger through DAL or HOU, and TUL is a high demand run at all times from those hubs for various reasons.

Let's get back to the peacocking!

Your airline sucks and mine is badass

I’ve always thought these arguements were a bit misleading. The glaring difference between all of these route comparisons is that the ONLY way to Lihue or Hilo is on Hawaiian. People in Lubbock or Tulsa don’t like the cost of a SWA ticket, then guess what - they drive. People of Hawaii don’t have that option. This is the crux of Opakapaka’s ‘holding the locals hostage’ argument.

Competition will be good for the people of Hawaii. Sure southwest’s entrance to the market is going to hurt Hawaiian’s earnings, but both will be able to co-exist.

I’m curious to see how SW handles the 100s of little idiosyncrasies that are a part of operating II - especially with a revolving crew set..:cool:

Southwest pilot gets lost in baggage claim trying to find the van at HNL

If it gets bad, I can always outsource that Interisland flying, my profits will be fine!

Where’s KHNL? ;)

You passed your first test. Well done :)

Woohoo! Being away from the islands for 11 years, I reckon the simple recurrent won’t cut it. Keep’em coming! ;)

If this was a test why did you edit your post to remove the “K”

To give guys like you something to stress about. I goofed and made a joke about it. Sorry if I confused you into thinking this was a real test. Relax, you can stop studying now.

We will look back on St. Patty's day 2019 as the day SW attempted to serve Hawai'i, or the beginning of the end for Hawaiian.

Fear not, we will LUV you and, Just like Winston Smith, you will LUV us in return.

So did the first SW plane land in Hawaii today? I’m sure it was a media circus. I always knew this day would come and it’s partly why I could never get excited about working there.

HR: “So tell us why should we hire you over all the other applicants”

Me: “I just need a job and I promise I won’t get lost”

HR: “Can you pull an animal out of this hat and then tell us why you picked it”

Me: “what does that have to do with anything, really”

This is what happens when Hawaiian Airlines spends all their money on bs next generation artificial intelligence HR systems instead of giving locals fair deals on transportation.

The reckoning has arrived. Thank you Gary Kelly!

Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
 

looks like somebody’s panties are still in a wad because they didn’t get the job.

Re: “Fair deals”. That horse was beaten to death years ago. The rates out here ARE market rate. SWA Might drive that down a little bit, but the end of the day market rate is market rate. It’s not 1999-2008 anymore.

Yes, there is a large faction of folks out here that got used to $40 Tickets that should’ve been going for $150 to begin with. Sadly, they mistook that has low fare for being a “right” -vs- a fight to the death feeding frenzy between three carriers.

As Kingair has been saying over and over, our rates out here are market rate. Life isn’t fair. If you want to go from Island to Island for $40, bring back the super ferry!

Oh... There still is another airline operating out here if you wanna jump islands on the cheap.

Speaking of ferries....what’s the situation with those between the islands? Fares? Travel times?

Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
 

The only one operating was shut down over political reasons. People didn’t want it.

If you live in a small town with limited air service that is expensive, do you close your bus terminal? No, I don’t think so. If you do close your bus terminal, then you have to pay market rate airfare.

At the end of the day, airlines are in business to make money and be profitable. One airline going out of business because the rates were too far below market value is enough. Well, I guess two airlines now with Island Air. Sounds to me like the rates are already low enough.

Question for all you guys that think rates are too high here...

<—- We pay market rate on fuel, transportation, general expenses and labor. We don’t get our fuel cheaper, we don’t get our hotel rooms cheaper, and you’re darn sure not getting your PILOTS cheaper anymore, SO... If the rates are going to come down, where is that money supposed to come from. Are we all supposed to take pay cuts so the people that think they’re entitled to cheap airfare can have it?

No. Not at all. Airfares are far cheaper than they should be. Are you seriously saying that there is no ferry service between the islands? I can’t believe that...

Whoah, continuing all the good work we’ve done!

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timei...ion-settlement

Only two that I am aware of. Both out of Maui. One between Maui and Moloka’i, and one between Maui and Lana’i.

One would think something would run off Oahu or Hawaii Island.

This is yet another data point for people that think any airline can just jump in and out here and expect things are going to run like they do on the mainland. It’s different out here. You’ve got to live here to realize that.

Hey Gary, would have been more believable if your screen name was Herbs turds! Note to swa guys, please dont say Honolulu center, it's HCF

I understand it’s a totally different world, mindset and reality out there. I can respect that but don’t have any desire to vacation there because it’s so expensive. The Caribbean is fantastic and more affordable (and closer).

Passenger, no. Cargo, yes. And the rates are... wait for it... about $300 for a car.

:eek:

....

I need to speak to Gilligan about this immediately. I wonder how long it will take for us to get ETOPS approval for a ferry.

Not exactly a fact check, but your opinion. Kinda like Fox News and MSNBC. ;)

Hawaiian was opposed to Greg Brenneman and TurnWorks running the combined airline. They wanted to cut Brenneman out and have Hawaiian managers run the new airline. That wasn't acceptable to Aloha for somewhat obvious reasons.

In the long run, it worked out for Hawaiian because despite hiring so many Aloha folks, everyone at Hawaiian at the time of Aloha's demise got a huge bump in seniority. It wouldn't have worked out that way for them had the merger gone through.

The couple SWA guys I know are awesome top notch folks. But like KingAir said a couple pages back, the SW mgt koolaid is strong. Crap like this:



https://i.ibb.co/svVB3Gh/shark.jpg

Typical :rolleyes:

I approve this message!
Hahaha good luck negotiating against me next year, plumbers! Ahahaha

Time to Jump ship from Hawaiian?
 

Let me help decode this before you melt away into a puddle of offended tears and hurt feewings.

It appears to me to be a humorous depiction of a behemoth entrant into a market, and this would serve as a good motivator for HA and AS to do well, kick a$$, make smart decisions, be kept on toes because good competition keeps us sharp.

Look up the sizes of the airlines depicted and see if you can come up with a better caricature that doesn’t offend your fragile sensibilities but provides a sense of humor and delivers a motivating message to stay sharp to all 3?

Learn to take a joke, laugh at yourself, and not just others and not get offended at virtually everything. You’ll be a much happier person.

looks like somebody’s drunk on the Hawaiian Punch

Because working for a LCC selling hawaiian fumunda cheese is the apex of any aviation career.

It’s annoying you know. The whole Hawaiian routine. Nobody buys it except your own employees. United for example has way more locals working for them than Hawaiian. And they don’t serve cheese or hide behind the curtains during the flights.

Hawaiian air can thank their success on ATA and Aloha shutting down at the same time. Hawaiian was never a superior product.

I’m ready Gary......up to and including shutting your precious airline down if you try to pull the same shenanigans with us as you did with the mechanics.

Unless you want to go to Kauai, right? Or take a surfboard anywhere.

That takes care of that.

Uh, we are using 800’s for Hawaii. Just saying.

I know it’s kinda hard to see, but that AS-colored fish has “Operated by SkyWest” on it. ;)

"Mostly all Boeing" actually.

Of all the fish in the ocean they picked a rainbow runner to be Hawaiian? Oh wait. I get it. Dr Farkas picked the rainbow runner! Because nothing better than a rainbow to represent Hawaiian Airlines PRIDE. I get it!

Whew, sounds like a super fun place to work indeed. Im just glad they are well prepared. That’s awesome. NG HR data recorders. Man now that’s the way of the future. I’m sure Southwest doesn’t have that yet.

That one went way over your head didn’t it?