FAA hiring Airspace System Inspection Pilot
02-13-2012, 12:52 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by KODI3
Have been scanning USAJOBS.GOV religiously past 2 months as I am about to go on Terminal LV and with today's volatile commercial jobs market, am sold on the security of Uncle Sam's cape. Unfortunately, I have yet to come across a Govt job I qualify for. Look forward to any info you may be able to pass along USMCFlyer.
Thanks for looking out for those of us still in the hunt...
Thanks for looking out for those of us still in the hunt...
05-03-2012, 05:25 PM
#162
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Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
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Update:
Hiring is still in the plans for this next year.
Just had dinner with three of the new hires currently undergoing P135 Indoc class. I asked about their experience level so that I might pass it along.
1. Young guy! 28 years old. Probably the youngest person in all of Flight Check!
Civilian background. Has about 3500 TT, 1500 ME. I think the regular civilian background with some time in the Regionals and is a recent furloughed NetJets guy.
2. Late 40s guy. Former Army Helo ANG guy and airline guy for 14 years. Time with DHL and American Eagle and a slew of other regionals I think he said (with Dash 8 and B1900 time). Just came off two years as a Helo EMS pilot. I forget the breakdown of his times (they were numerous) but his TT was approx 9,000, with large numbers in every category (ME, PIC, TURBINE, etc...)
The above two guys took the FSDO job just to get a foot in the door with the FAA and then waited for the opening to come up and applied. They are both in the Battle Creek office.
3. Retired AF mid-40s guy. Standard. T-37 FAIP, C-130, U-2. Last 5 years non-flying in the military but kept current with some rentals and such. He said he has about 1300 of tailwheel time (I don't know if that includes his U-2 time
) He had some early civilian experience but most of his approximately 6000 TT was military. We seem to have a rash of these former U-2 guys. That makes 3 or 4 of them now. This guy was a VRA hire into the Atlanta office. He is on this forum and said he was reading this very thread the night before his interview 
Maybe he'll pop his head in here again and give some more details.
As far as equipment. The ProLine 21 equipped King Air are out on the line and doing work with more refurbished ones coming into the fleet. The Lear60s will be hanging around even longer than originally anticipated it seems. The one Challenger 604 and two Challenger 605s will be doing domestic work for awhile before they start with the international flight inspection work and the Air Force Combat Flight Inspection and Reserve squadrons have mainly taken over the Challenger 601s and the desert trips (Iraq/Afghanistan) still dominate their schedules.
USMCFLYR
Hiring is still in the plans for this next year.
Just had dinner with three of the new hires currently undergoing P135 Indoc class. I asked about their experience level so that I might pass it along.
1. Young guy! 28 years old. Probably the youngest person in all of Flight Check!
Civilian background. Has about 3500 TT, 1500 ME. I think the regular civilian background with some time in the Regionals and is a recent furloughed NetJets guy.
2. Late 40s guy. Former Army Helo ANG guy and airline guy for 14 years. Time with DHL and American Eagle and a slew of other regionals I think he said (with Dash 8 and B1900 time). Just came off two years as a Helo EMS pilot. I forget the breakdown of his times (they were numerous) but his TT was approx 9,000, with large numbers in every category (ME, PIC, TURBINE, etc...)
The above two guys took the FSDO job just to get a foot in the door with the FAA and then waited for the opening to come up and applied. They are both in the Battle Creek office.
3. Retired AF mid-40s guy. Standard. T-37 FAIP, C-130, U-2. Last 5 years non-flying in the military but kept current with some rentals and such. He said he has about 1300 of tailwheel time (I don't know if that includes his U-2 time
) He had some early civilian experience but most of his approximately 6000 TT was military. We seem to have a rash of these former U-2 guys. That makes 3 or 4 of them now. This guy was a VRA hire into the Atlanta office. He is on this forum and said he was reading this very thread the night before his interview Maybe he'll pop his head in here again and give some more details.As far as equipment. The ProLine 21 equipped King Air are out on the line and doing work with more refurbished ones coming into the fleet. The Lear60s will be hanging around even longer than originally anticipated it seems. The one Challenger 604 and two Challenger 605s will be doing domestic work for awhile before they start with the international flight inspection work and the Air Force Combat Flight Inspection and Reserve squadrons have mainly taken over the Challenger 601s and the desert trips (Iraq/Afghanistan) still dominate their schedules.
USMCFLYR
Last edited by USMCFLYR; 05-04-2012 at 03:11 AM.
05-03-2012, 06:22 PM
#163
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Update:
Hiring is still in the plans for this next year.
Just had dinner with three of the new hires currently undergoing P135 Indoc class. I asked about their experience level so that I might pass it along.
1. Young guy! 28 years old. Probably the youngest person in all of Flight Check!
Civilian background. Has about 3500 TT, 1500 ME. I think the regular civilian background with some time in the Regionals and is a recent furloughed NetJets guy.
2. Late 40s guy. Former Army Helo ANG guy and airline guy for 14 years. Time with DHL and American Eagle and a slew of other regionals I think he said (with Dash 8 and B1900 time). Just came off two years as a Helo EMS pilot. I forget the breakdown of his times (they were numerous) but his TT was approx 9,000, with large numbers in every category (ME, PIC, TURBINE, etc...)
The above two guys took the FSDO job just to get a foot in the door with the FAA and then waited for the opening to come up and applied. They are both in the Battle Creek office.
3. Retired AF mid-40s guy. Standard. T-37 FAIP, C-130, U-2. Last 5 years non-flying in the military but kept current with some rentals and such. He said he has about 1300 of tailwheel time (I don't know if that includes his U-2 time) He had some early civilian experience but most of his approximately 6000 TT was military. We seems to have a rash of these former U-2 guys. That makes 3 or 4 of them now. This guy was a VRA hire into the Atlanta office. He is on this forum and said he was reading this very thread the night before his interview Maybe he'll pop his head in here again and give some more details.
As far as equipment. The ProLine 21 equipped King Air are out on the line and doing work with more refurbished ones coming into the fleet. The Lear60s will be hanging around even longer than originally anticipated it seems. The one Challenger 604 and two Challenger 605s will be doing domestic work for awhile before they start with the international flight inspection work and the Air Force Combat Flight Inspection and Reserve squadrons have mainly taken over the Challenger 601s and the desert trips (Iraq/Afghanistan) still dominate their schedules.
USMCFLYR
Hiring is still in the plans for this next year.
Just had dinner with three of the new hires currently undergoing P135 Indoc class. I asked about their experience level so that I might pass it along.
1. Young guy! 28 years old. Probably the youngest person in all of Flight Check!
Civilian background. Has about 3500 TT, 1500 ME. I think the regular civilian background with some time in the Regionals and is a recent furloughed NetJets guy.
2. Late 40s guy. Former Army Helo ANG guy and airline guy for 14 years. Time with DHL and American Eagle and a slew of other regionals I think he said (with Dash 8 and B1900 time). Just came off two years as a Helo EMS pilot. I forget the breakdown of his times (they were numerous) but his TT was approx 9,000, with large numbers in every category (ME, PIC, TURBINE, etc...)
The above two guys took the FSDO job just to get a foot in the door with the FAA and then waited for the opening to come up and applied. They are both in the Battle Creek office.
3. Retired AF mid-40s guy. Standard. T-37 FAIP, C-130, U-2. Last 5 years non-flying in the military but kept current with some rentals and such. He said he has about 1300 of tailwheel time (I don't know if that includes his U-2 time
) He had some early civilian experience but most of his approximately 6000 TT was military. We seems to have a rash of these former U-2 guys. That makes 3 or 4 of them now. This guy was a VRA hire into the Atlanta office. He is on this forum and said he was reading this very thread the night before his interview Maybe he'll pop his head in here again and give some more details.As far as equipment. The ProLine 21 equipped King Air are out on the line and doing work with more refurbished ones coming into the fleet. The Lear60s will be hanging around even longer than originally anticipated it seems. The one Challenger 604 and two Challenger 605s will be doing domestic work for awhile before they start with the international flight inspection work and the Air Force Combat Flight Inspection and Reserve squadrons have mainly taken over the Challenger 601s and the desert trips (Iraq/Afghanistan) still dominate their schedules.
USMCFLYR
05-05-2012, 03:09 PM
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Ding...here I am chiming in. Let me add my experience also includes two years enlisted in Army air traffic control and 500 hours in the Huey as a Warrant Officer Aviator in the Guard in early 1980's. The ATC experience went over well in the interview. I also had an interim job flying ISR in Iraq after I retired from active duty which got me the required recency of experience (100 hours in the last 12 months) to qualify for the FAA job. Dual ATP RW/FW.
FWIW - I had ~1000 hours in the U-2 which is counted in my tail wheel time; not that it matters at all for this job other than the fact that they like to see that you are truly interested in all aspects of aviation and are ready to spend a lot of time on the road followed by the appropriate time and attention to detail in the office completing the required reports on the facilities checked. USMC Flyer can elaborate on what the job really entails as I just hired on.
The interview was straight out of the pages in this thread. Very straight forward. Nice folks.
The best advice I can give for getting this job is to drop in on one of the offices, meet the guys and see the operation. Talk to the crews if you meet them on the road. Realize you will have to move to one of the Flight Check office locations (on your own dime) and plan to be there for two-three years or more. This is not a commuting job and you are in the office/on the clock when you are not on a trip. It takes several months to get a new pilot up to speed and no one wants to see them try to transfer out as soon as they are qualified.
That's my 2 cents as a FNG who has not even gone to the sim yet. USMC can tighten me up as required.
HH
FWIW - I had ~1000 hours in the U-2 which is counted in my tail wheel time; not that it matters at all for this job other than the fact that they like to see that you are truly interested in all aspects of aviation and are ready to spend a lot of time on the road followed by the appropriate time and attention to detail in the office completing the required reports on the facilities checked. USMC Flyer can elaborate on what the job really entails as I just hired on.
The interview was straight out of the pages in this thread. Very straight forward. Nice folks.
The best advice I can give for getting this job is to drop in on one of the offices, meet the guys and see the operation. Talk to the crews if you meet them on the road. Realize you will have to move to one of the Flight Check office locations (on your own dime) and plan to be there for two-three years or more. This is not a commuting job and you are in the office/on the clock when you are not on a trip. It takes several months to get a new pilot up to speed and no one wants to see them try to transfer out as soon as they are qualified.
That's my 2 cents as a FNG who has not even gone to the sim yet. USMC can tighten me up as required.
HH
05-05-2012, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HueyHerc
Ding...here I am chiming in. Let me add my experience also includes two years enlisted in Army air traffic control and 500 hours in the Huey as a Warrant Officer Aviator in the Guard in early 1980's. The ATC experience went over well in the interview. I also had an interim job flying ISR in Iraq after I retired from active duty which got me the required recency of experience (100 hours in the last 12 months) to qualify for the FAA job. Dual ATP RW/FW.
FWIW - I had ~1000 hours in the U-2 which is counted in my tail wheel time; not that it matters at all for this job other than the fact that they like to see that you are truly interested in all aspects of aviation and are ready to spend a lot of time on the road followed by the appropriate time and attention to detail in the office completing the required reports on the facilities checked. USMC Flyer can elaborate on what the job really entails as I just hired on.
The interview was straight out of the pages in this thread. Very straight forward. Nice folks.
The best advice I can give for getting this job is to drop in on one of the offices, meet the guys and see the operation. Talk to the crews if you meet them on the road. Realize you will have to move to one of the Flight Check office locations (on your own dime) and plan to be there for two-three years or more. This is not a commuting job and you are in the office/on the clock when you are not on a trip. It takes several months to get a new pilot up to speed and no one wants to see them try to transfer out as soon as they are qualified.
That's my 2 cents as a FNG who has not even gone to the sim yet. USMC can tighten me up as required.
HH
FWIW - I had ~1000 hours in the U-2 which is counted in my tail wheel time; not that it matters at all for this job other than the fact that they like to see that you are truly interested in all aspects of aviation and are ready to spend a lot of time on the road followed by the appropriate time and attention to detail in the office completing the required reports on the facilities checked. USMC Flyer can elaborate on what the job really entails as I just hired on.
The interview was straight out of the pages in this thread. Very straight forward. Nice folks.
The best advice I can give for getting this job is to drop in on one of the offices, meet the guys and see the operation. Talk to the crews if you meet them on the road. Realize you will have to move to one of the Flight Check office locations (on your own dime) and plan to be there for two-three years or more. This is not a commuting job and you are in the office/on the clock when you are not on a trip. It takes several months to get a new pilot up to speed and no one wants to see them try to transfer out as soon as they are qualified.
That's my 2 cents as a FNG who has not even gone to the sim yet. USMC can tighten me up as required.
HH
A couple of things that HH mentioned which might use some clarification/additional explanation as they mean quite different things to different people depending on your background and experiences.
HH said:
ready to spend a lot of time on the road
I'll use my experience as the baseline for the post and then try to throw in some other experiences as I have seen them.
For the last year I've been very close to a week on/week off schedule. That means either a Monday departure with Thursday arrival, or a Tuesday through Friday trip. 3 nights on the road. There have been times that I have seen or been offered the opportunity to fly multiple weeks in a row and I have if I could swing it and there was training to be had in the itinerary. For those keeping track, that is 6 nights a month on the road. Enough to keep your Diamond or Platinum status at the Hilton/Marriott properties and learn where all the best lunch and dinner spots are in your operating area.
There are times when a person may be scheduled for a few weeks in a row. This is where it gets busy obviously, because the work isn't done when the plane shuts down. This is a job where the work isn't complete until the paperwork is complete (meaning the report is through the process) There are times when you are still answering questions on a facility a month or more after you have done the flying on it. Decision making ability was hit hard in my interview. Part of the reason I suspect is because the decisions you make on the road can have long reaching effects, and eventually (worse case) can lead to being a witness in court after a mishap.
The recency of experience is a killer. There is a current USCG guy who would probably be a great fit too but is currently on a USCG HQ staff tour and just not making a 100 hrs/year. His package didn't even make it past HR.
Yes - 5 locations throughout the country (well documented in this thread), but mobility within the organization is a plus. People often do move around after a few years so getting your foot in the door in one office that is hiring and then getting trained and moving after a few years is a possibility. I had already thrown the flag down so I kind of limited myself, but I had my fingers crossed and I had the beginnings of plan A and B in mind if things turned south.
This is NOT a commuting job as most see the term used. Some people do live quite a ways from the office and if it works then more power to them. Obviously with the time spent on the road you wouldn't be making some terrible drive on a daily basis, and the time spent in the office can be managed through telecommuting. A flexible work schedule, a generous leave/credit hour program, and the willingness of management to work with you if the need arises makes the office work palatable.
Finally....isn't is always left to the USMC to tighten up the USAF HH?
Welcome aboard again and we'll be seeing you soon as you come through for training.
USMCFLYR
Last edited by USMCFLYR; 05-05-2012 at 07:28 PM.
05-05-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Welcome aboard HH. Btw - you might drop a line to HuggyU2. He knows of you so mind your P&Qs
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Finally....isn't is always left to the USMC to tight up the USAF HH?
USMCFLYR
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HH
05-09-2012, 05:14 AM
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Looks like an opening in OK just listed today.
Good luck to all. Gotta go figure out how to weed through FED paperwork process to get my app in on time.
Job Title:Airspace System Inspection Pilot
Departmentepartment Of Transportation
Agency:Federal Aviation Administration
Job Announcement Number:AAC-EXT-12-AJW336-25582
SALARY RANGE: $96,690.00 to $125,695.00 / Per Year
OPEN PERIOD: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 to Tuesday, May 22, 2012
SERIES & GRADE: FG-2181-14
POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time - Permanent
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy(s) - Oklahoma City, OK
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: U.S. Citizens
JOB SUMMARY:
Good luck to all. Gotta go figure out how to weed through FED paperwork process to get my app in on time.
Job Title:Airspace System Inspection Pilot
Department
epartment Of TransportationAgency:Federal Aviation Administration
Job Announcement Number:AAC-EXT-12-AJW336-25582
SALARY RANGE: $96,690.00 to $125,695.00 / Per Year
OPEN PERIOD: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 to Tuesday, May 22, 2012
SERIES & GRADE: FG-2181-14
POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time - Permanent
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy(s) - Oklahoma City, OK
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: U.S. Citizens
JOB SUMMARY:
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