lakehouse

The resume piles are running thin, most the people who meet mins and arent getting called are either 1 on furlough somewhere better, 2 have a dui, 3 have a criminal record, 4 lied on the app, 5 turned down a job there in the past 6. failed checkrides.

Cruz5350

It's only a matter of time before they have to forget about the applicant turning down a job in the past and failed checkrides. The rest Well I think it will be a long time before those are forgotten.

captfurlough

A single failed checkride does not necessarily mean a problem and will be explored, both in an interview and with records checks. More than one usually does....and will not be overlooked at a reputable firm. Remember this too; every original piece of paper pertaining to your application for a rating or license is retained in Oklahoma City, and copies are forwarded on request to prospective employers. PRIA also requires previous employers to provide training records, and often includes a form which specifically asks the employer to identify failed checkrides, in addition to requiring computerized training history or records.

In addition, an accident, incident, or violation will also be evaluated.

It goes without saying that a DUI, or other arrest record, and even more than a few traffic tickets, will generally be disqualifying. Those "youthful indiscretions" will not generally mix well with airline pilot employment. If you have ONE, be upfront, don't attempt to hide it..and hopefully you will have several years without a problem since.

Cruz5350

There are plenty of multiple failed checkride types at every airline.

Cal Varnson

I've got two failed orals, no failed checkrides. Don't know if there is a difference in the eyes of the airlines. Probably not. The first one I'll take responsibilty for, the second one was kinda BS. Really BS, actually. No DUI's, no speeding tickets in the last 5 years. It would really suck if that's what ruins my prospects for employment. I guess it only takes one crusty old examiner to throw a monkey wrench in your (hopeful) plans. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the same situation.

Cruz5350

I have 4 failed checkrides and you know what i learned? DE's makes lots of money and FSDO examiners love power trips. Instead I'll have to lie in an interview one day about what I learned to satisfy some HR person.

Cal Varnson

True indeed

captfurlough

Hardly an endorsement.

As someone who spent years in management / the hiring process, I stand behind my post. In discussing pre employment screening, it is as I've indicated.

It is true, that once hired, some individuals fail a checkride. Sometimes this is due to the higher level or training standards someone is exposed to for the first time. Sometimes, an individual's weaknesses tend to become exposed, and not all pilots are going to make the grade. In either case, if it occurs during a new hires probationary period, retention of the employee is at the airline's discretion. Anyone can have a bad day, and the airline may elect to provide more training. But if after careful evaluation the situation looks like something more, the airline will usually let the pilot go. If it occurs subsequent to the probationary year, contractual provisions may govern retraining options. There will be a finite limit to additional training provided in most contracts.

In any case, a history of repetitive failures will quickly bring the attention of the FAA principle operations inspector, or program manager, to the airline's training and qualifications program, as well as the individual involved. It can even result in the FAA requiring the individual to take a checkride in front of the FAA for evaluation purposes, during which the individual's license is at stake.

meeko031

save your money and duct tape your windows instead!

captfurlough

You might lie during an interview, and you might be given an offer of employment. If you do lie, when the PRIA paperwork comes back several weeks later, you will (almost certainly) be uncerimoniously removed from training and shown the door.

If you are serious about a career in the airlines, be honest, (and I hope you learned something more than your false bravado would indicate), and be ready to explain what happened in each of those four failures, and how you've benefited and learned from them.