From a local on the big island to give you guys some perspective about how important it is to have internal recs. "

Not to lessen the importance of reccs but those particular individuals have a bad attitude and it's known to HAL.

Class of 6 Jan 5th!

Can anyone let me know?
 

Any of you guys in the Pool or waiting interview phases know if HAL will be opening the window again? I would love a shot at working Here. Of course who wouldn't. Unless you hate tropical weather!

Whats the latest and greatest with Hawaiian? Nice to hear about hiring, I suppose the real hiring will start when the 321s come online. End of 2016 maybe? Also saw some figures on Hawaiians widebody pay, lower in comparison to other legacy peers, any HAL guys know if the priority is to bring that up in the next round. Lastly with a young pilot group and all the forcasted on the books aircraft purchases would a newhire expect to be right seat indefinitely? Any ideas or conjecture welcome, thanks.

Latest is that I flew 94 hours last month on Reserve on the 330... Hiring 6 will hardly make a dent in how short we are.

Greatest is we've got a new MEC that is DEAD SET on getting us an industry leading contract as a legcy. A lot more than pay is broken. Trip rigs, days off, reserve, vacation, sick, training pay, bla bla bla. All behind and all concessionary era language.

And for once since I've been here I've taked to enough guys that I have faith this pilot group will hold the line and continue to raise the bar. Guys have had enough and are fired up.

Oh and to your point about age and seniority. I've never been anywhere besides a commuter back in the 90s with so many 30somthing year old captains and 50'some year old captains with 30 years etc.

If hired here in the next few years plan to be an FO for years. If you're in your 40's or 50's plan to be a terminal FO

Hawaiian Airlines Hiring
 

Any idea of the backgrounds of the class of six?

Sounds like Hawaiian is similar to Virgin America. Good luck with getting pay and work rules improved. Hoping to get over there when the window opens again. [/U]

nothing like Virgin.

Virgin is a start up that has to a) get a union, and b) build a history of contracts.

Hawaiian is the oldest airline in the US (11th in the world), one which at one time had industry leading DC9 rates, and one which has had to file BK 3 times over the 8+ decades it's been in business (2 of which were recently) and set our pattern bargaining back quite a bit.. we simply have to climb BACK OUT of our hole and join our peers at the other Legacies and getting back what WE GAVE UP.

Pretty sure that belongs to Delta

I stand corrected.

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Still have very little in common with VX

So is it safe to say that hiring is done until the NEO's arrive? Cheers, HAL was my dream job, 0 for 3 :(

they'll have to hire a few more before then... but yeah, the big hiring is still planned for 2017

How many retirements for 2015?

literally a handful... retirements at HAL are not much more than 5-10 a year for a decade or more...

If I took a closer look I think I've moved "up" 50+ numbers in 2.5 years...

Those getting hired for the NEO expansion will be FO's for a long time (provided we are not bought, sold, merged)

Anyone on the list now "should" be either a junior NEO/717 Cpt, or senior widebody FO by 2020ish. With the next contractual pay increase it will be better to be an FO than it is currently.. $$$$ wise

Could be worse....

This is all assuming everything remains as scheduled:rolleyes:

pretty fair assessment Kingairfun.. I've heard rumors of as many as 400 more for the "expansion" and as few as 200... depends on how much of the 717 II flying is replaced by NEO, and how fast 767's retire.. and are replaced by 321's...

But retirements alone here at HAL won't begin to hit the 20's a year for well over a decade

Yeah the NEO/717 replacement is a good question...

IF we hire only 200 that puts us at 800+ by 2020... Say 60% captain ratio puts us at around 480 Captains total... Factor in

-career FO's,
- those not wanting to do west coast Captain vs. FO widebody international,
-and even only 50 retirements over the next five years

Those junior on the list now should be looking at atleast an outside captain slot or a nice widebody QOL...

If we hire 400ish... Then yeah, we will all have an upgrade opportunity.

But I'd definitely say anyone hired in 2017 will be doing a long sit in the right seat pending a merger etc..

Yeah only most of the slots are FO... It's more like 40% CA. Remember they 3-man crew a lot of long haul with 1 CA and 2 FO... I wish it were the other way. Plus they always run ultra lean in CAs and payout double time to guys to keep the roster lean.

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2017? I hope it happens sooner that that.

New vacancy bid came out yesterday. Few B767/717 displacements with possibly a couple upgrades... so maybe a couple new hires.

With AA's contract just passed, is there any talk to at least match the average going forward and timeframe if any?

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Can not speak for everyone.. But I think industry average is a minimum IMO... I don't necessarily expect to be the highest paid in the industry but definitely don't expect to be anywhere near the bottom either...

Time frame? Depends on some factors.. Have to take a look at how much leverage we have. Is there anything the company needs from us to fast track negotiations? ( I don't see much, we already gave them NEO rates below what they should have started at)

Will retro be involved? I certainly expect it to be.... That may help speed things up..

Thanks for insight. I've heard talks of +30% and working from there, hopefully they(mgmt) don't play too much hardball and you guys can get the contract you deserve. With all the majors now starting at ~$70/hr first year, I'd love to see that change sooner than later as well.

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Just heard that HAL is hiring 6 more pilots.

Thread bump....any ideas as to future hiring at HAL?

I would guess that for all intents and purposes we are done hiring pilots until early/mid 2017. No more then maybe a very small class or two covering the 10-20 retirements. The gates *should* really open starting in 2017 as we go from the current 600 to 800-1000 pilots by 2022.

What's the latest in regards to contract negotiations? I know they started only a couple months ago but I am curious if there are any rumors.

Pretty much all we hear is that they are happening.
With two months to go till the amendable date we shall see.

The consensus seems to be improvement in all areas with no givebacks, record profits and all. You know......just like the Delta TA.(sarcasm)

We get updates that detail where each section is at.. ( to the company, Union, or TA'd)


Seems right now the "easier" and " less critical sections" are getting done pretty quickly and without too much back and forth..

The juicy sections are still to be opened.. Then we will see how well negotiations will proceed..retirement just got discussed, not sure where it's at.. But from the latest update, not too much hardball from the company yet..

Everything seems civil and on schedule. Whether or not we make the amendable date.. Who knows... But only a handful of scheduled meetings left, so going beyond would not be a real surprise ( or necessarily a negative, just the way it is)

Unless things change, or something happens... Little hiring over the next 1.5 years ( give or take) maybe a few for retirements, which aren't more that 10-15 in 2016....1.5 years will come quickly though.

In my personal opinion, and from a personal POV, I am looking for increases in FO pay package.. Although upgrade for me may be as early as year 7 ... It may also be year 9-11... So something that pays a comfortable wage and allows me to do the things I want ( as far as investing, saving) in exchange for a few extra years as an FO is a must...

Unfortunately as bad as it sounds, first year pay has never crossed my mind as a negotiating point... The company/union may wish to adjust it to attract resumes, but I don't view it as anything I would consider in my vote.

Released today:

Class of 5 from the last hiring window will start in early October.

Pilot hiring window will open between Sept 4 and Sept 14 to hire ~30 pilots to be in class in early 2016.

We are in contract negotiations now. I don't know what the result will be, but as our MEC tells us, based on market conditions "if not now, when?" We are expecting a significant increase across the board (pay, work rules, retirement).

Good luck to all who apply.

Hope ha didn't have any friends trying to get interviewed.. Just made it that much harder for them. After all it's only 30 slots...

heard that 5 guys just quit Hawaiian...

Why? Majors?

Only saw 1 unless they were this week... Haven't heard anything about that..

If true we'd find out sooner or later... But so far nothing

Has anyone who applied heard anything yet from the application window that closed on September 14th?