Thanks captfurlough. I realize it may take a while and agree it is worth the wait. I will continue to gather support and qualifications.

anyone else get an email requesting more information?

edit: looks like it was just having me fill out the new hours thing since i submitted mine before they added the no TPIC option

I did get the request more info email. It wanted clarification on my airplane hours and how much Turbojet or Turboprop PIC i have.

yeah same here

that is music to my ears.... I can't believe how many have been hired over the recent past with 0 PIC outside of Cessna 172s...

Great! After waking up this morning, it appears that my Resume didnt go through last night! I resubmittied but crap!

You should make the effort to get it in at the beginning of the application window... Instead of the last few hours of the last day of a window that probably won't open again for 2 years....

Yeah, It was the perfect storm on my end. Waiting on a few things from a few people.

Sorry to hear that...

My rule is never wait on others... ( assuming you were waiting on rec letters, or something similar)

Any calls for interviews go out yet?

1400 applicants for 14 slots. Super tough

Wow ^1400? I figured about 4-500.

Well that's what happens when people start telling everyone that the window is open again. Even the ones applying are telling people?!?! I know it's good to look out for your fellow pilots but when they could be the one to get the job and not you its better to keep the yap shut until after the app window closes. Plus, you have to think about all the regional pilots clawing and scratching to get to bigger and better things. Just makes the competition much harder. Idk just my two cents!!

Blue Falcon...


Idk just my two cents!!

Invites are going out. Gotta pick a day in Oct.

Be prepared to take a B717 FO inter island for 3 year seat lock. I hope you can afford to live in Hawaii. Be careful for what you apply for !

If you didn't get an email to come in, your SOL for this window. Apparently ALL invites for the 14 hires have gone out.

Good luck to those who got invite.. Feel free to post some feedback if you are one of them.

So are you saying they are having one interview group and they decided they are going to pick all 14 new hires from that group?
That is very different from what they did in the last window. They had several interview groups and people were picked for classes from the different groups.

all I am saying, and I got this 1st hand from a hiring manager is anyone who is going to be interviewed from this window has ALREADY been called/emailed.

2 year* seat lock. But yes, you'll most likely have to rough-it in Hawaii for a few years.. Weird, I know, for an airline named Hawaiian.. :rolleyes:

But you are right - don't come to Hawaiian if you are not OK with the thought of living in Hawaii.

I believe CATIII is correct. From what I heard they are going to invite 50 people to interview and from that group they hope to choose the 14 or so they need.

well then I guess myself and the other 140+ commuters, including 60 captains, 3 of whom fly Inter-Island, better find another job? :confused:


While not an easy commute for a junior II pilot, if you really want to work here, it's a sacrifice some can easily make for 2 years.

Damn that's like Flight Attendant type interviewing to have that many for so few of open spots.

Management already had their people picked before the application window closed. It was just smoke and mirrors for everyone else. Typical HA hiring process. No surprises here.

sadly there is probably a lot of truth to this... sure the token random applicant gets thru the process on occasion but it's almost always captain's sons/daughters, southrampers with an auntie or uncle there, or some kind of kronie deal like that...

Think about it. The window closed the 21th of Sept and a class already started. Why open the window, it's because they had too not that they needed to. It makes them look like they really are looking for you but the smoke and mirrors game has already begun.

wait, there's a class started already??

when?

4 new hires started sept 25th. B717. They interviewed end of 2012. Phase 3 was end of August. 2 island air, 1 horizon, 1 frontier.
Now there's talk of only 10 more new hires instead of the 14. Changes daily. It's supposed to be a new hiring format. We shall see. 2 more classes this year. Of course, that changes daily!

The pool is a joke. My friend was in the so called pool that officially isn't a pool. Then was sent an email he wasn't eligible for the previous pool , but to apply for the current opening that just closed. Which he already did. What a hiring practice. No wonder the word on the street is HA hiring is all about what or who you know.

No, not at all, but since you are senior to me, please consider it.;)

Most pilots who commute to HAL either:

-used to be based in SEA/SFO/LAX with HAL and had a reasonable expectation to believe those bases would remain open.

Or

-were hired between '08-'12 when HAL was pretty much the only airline in the country hiring and a commute was worth getting out of the regionals.

Equipment and seat-locks aside, obviously commuting to Hawaiian is possible. My point is - with most majors hiring, why would you want to indefinitely commute 5+ hours to an airline with only a single base in a place you don't want to be?

my 3 closest friends at UAL, DAL and AA, all three don't live at their base... one has a two leg commute east coast.

West Coast on the 330 to HNL is the easiest commute i've ever done... period.

The only problem we have at HAL now (and it affects locals as well) is our schedule sucks, and our lack of meaningful trip rig means we waste a lot of time "at work" not getting paid.. We need to fix that big time in Contract 2015

you state that like they're trying to keep it a secret... on the contrary they brag about it.

I didn't get the interview until I got my LOR in 2012, I'd been applying for 4 years before without so much as a peep... After the LOR, I was interviewed, and in class inside of one month.

My belief is they opened the window, and are interviewing, as a dry run to see how well this new format works when hiring really ramps up for the NEO's..

I mean.. Why do all this application, interviewing, REC letters etc etc.... For 14 new hires... 4 of which were picked from the last window 2 years ago...

IMO, the hiring system previously in place was awful compared to just about every airline in the country.. Including regionals.... It was a huge black eye for an otherwise pleasant workplace.....( and very easy job compared to multi leg east coast winter flying) out of 40 interviews a week they took maybe 2 or 3 from each group ( maybe more?) it needed a change, and this was a laid back situation to test it out...

I believe also they had a few guys already in mind to interview.. Maybe not all, but definitely a majority.... This window was purely a "get everyone's hopes up" but a very very select few will have a chance....

2 years from now is when to really be hopeful for...

Regardless of their shenanigans...this crap needs to stop. Pilots need to stop accepting this kind of treatment right now.

Sorry dude, but you have the rose colored glasses on.
Isn't it obvious what happened? They need only 18 pilots, and they still have a large pool from the last window already interviewed. They could pick from the ones they already interviewed (like everyone else does) or they could open a new window and start over again. So what do they do, they pick 4 from the groups that interviewed two years ago, so that shows they have no problem picking someone from two years ago. Why not pick the other 14 from the same group? Because they are looking to get some with local connections that are not in the pool from the last window.
You think that there is a "new"process, that is laughable. Look what happened. They open the window, then someone realizes they didn't give an option for zero PIC time on one of the questions. ( didn't anyone think they should proof read the app Qs) So they send out emails to the people that filled out the app on the first day and ask for up dates. Then the next day they send emails out saying, " in case you didn't realize it, you are no longer in the running from the window 2 years ago." ( and they send the same letter to a bunch of pilots that already work there. LOL) Why did they send the emails after the window opened? because they had to keep the old app window open until they pulled the select few and someone forgot to close it.
or maybe some called in and said, hey I interviewed last window do I have to reapply?
Face it, the process has not changed much, same incompetent people running the show. Only thing that really changed.... they have gone back to the old Hawaii way....you have to have the hook-up to get in.
So maybe the pilots did succeed at getting HR out of the loop.
Time will tell if I'm right. Look at who gets offered those 14 slots. I bet they all have local connections.

The hiring at HAL is embarrassing.. we're a good enough airline, with a long and storied history and should be able to attract the best and brightest pilots the industry has to offer.. Unlike many other carriers, we have been hiring into international widebody flying... we've got some of the best (And most demanding) routes in the world, flying the Western Pacific is serious business, and you WANT very experience pilots who've been there and done that sitting as IRO's and FO's on those trips, not kids with no time outside of Hawaii or at some West Coast fair weather "regional' dropping gear on a turboprop..

The hiring is VERY anti-military for one, so we lose out on a lot of good military pilots. The only Mil guys who ever get hired are the HI ANG guys. I counted 4 classes in 2012 with some 35 bodies, and only 2 of them were Mil.. contrast that with most major airlines where it's almost 50%.. And it's not that they don't apply. I recall seeing many qualified C17 commanders, F15/16/22 drivers, etc at my phase 1/2 and by the time I got to phase 3 I was shocked to find many with no college degree, and as little as Shorts experience at TransAir with 2000TT..

Where Delta brags about hiring the best, and paying them the most, we brag about hiring local and dipping into the mainland pot ONLY when we've expired every last local who can fog a mirror.

Sad.

Maybe you should work somewhere where they hire the best and brightest

Nothing is going to change unless the pilots demand it. But sad to say, I don't see that happening.
You know, back in the 90s United hired a lot of low time pilots because they were involved in a law suit and tried to show they hired from all groups. The IPs had to give a lot of extra help to get them through training. and when it came time for upgrade, many of this group did not pass. If HAL has some big hiring when the NEOs come, you might find the same problem.

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maybe you should drink less Koolaid