This... ^^


In the case of HAL, experience is the last thing they're looking for, a sort of bonus if you have it. Who you know, where you're from, and your gender are far more important. Sad thing is it's a great airline with a lot of great people working here.. Hope they don't F' it up with their hit and miss hiring process tho. I flew with several checkairman who scratch their heads at the people they're having to check out in the A330...


As for the "dude" with "skillz"... I wouldn't let you walk my dog, let alone fly my family on the back of your plane across the Pacific somewhere...

Wish all these airlines would do Sim Evaluations, sure would help find out who can actually fly. Get so discouraged by the double standards that HR has put into play.
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If I recall, HAL has that desktop trainer that they make applicants fly to check their scan and basic instrument skills as well as CRM. In my opinion, it's way more sensitive and touchy than a simulator.

I think most airlines don't do a sim eval anymore because they are getting high time guys and gals who have been stagnated at their current jobs for 5 years and can most likely fly-a sim eval at this point is a waste of money. I also think these airlines are hiring a personality. Anybody can be taught to fly an ILS in training-nobody can be taught a different personality. Just my .02.

Hello there,

I am nearing completion of my four-year degree and need the help from one of you lucky HAL pilots. One of my assignments requires me to prepare for unexpected aspects of my "dream" job. To begin writing this paper, I need to ask a total of 12 questions to a professional who actually does what I want to do in the future. So, if you are currently working for Hawaiian and feel like you can help me with this please let me know. They are simple questions and shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes. Your name and job title are not required.

I used to fly the OGG based "Tsunamis" (Pacific Wings Caravans now gone from HI) and will hopefully be able to return to Hawaii sooner than later. Thank you!

Received both emails but I am wondering is there a way to update your application? Times?

Sorry just found it?

In theory you can update your profile but I was told they don't check it unless you get selected from the original window screening.

Just curious...when HAL starts LAX to KOA flying, are the crews going to overnight in KOA or will DH to HNL to start (or end) your trip?

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Hey guys,

I'm hoping to work at HA in a few years. Is this news going to be a problem for the hopefuls? Peace.

Disregard. Peace.

Troll much?

Funny thing is, I think he's serious.

......aaaaand that's what $20,000/year pays for at the regionals.

Probably the best post I've seen on here in years!!!!

:)Haha. So many unproductive, yet humorous, posts in this forum.

Union just said another vacancy bid coming out late July or August.

Late July/early august...
That'll mean mid October:D

Aloha, any updates on things over there? Thanks!

Have heard rumors of opening a new hiring window. It does look like a number of vacancies, but have to wait for the official company bid to come out.

Yeah a little confusing on the way they worded it..

Sounded like 19 vacancies, some for the 717, some widebody, and some for retirements....

But it didn't really say if they were new hires or displacements/ new hires ....

Either way, I think there will be atleast a little hiring.....

That's some potentially great news!

I have this feeling though that HAL is one of, if not the toughest, nuts to crack out there in terms of landing a job. Thoughts?

In terms of the actual interviews, it's not that hard... I don't recall any technical questions or anything like that. Compared to what I've heard about other airline interviews, heck even a lot of regionals... Our interview is very laid back..

In terms of getting that final nod, the issue here is nobody seems to know what they are looking for. They interview a ton of people for just a few slots.. I think a lot of guys get their hopes up because they feel they did well at the interview. Only to wait and wait for no call. Our process has been interesting to say the least.. That may be changing.. For the better is anyone's guess.

But no, you don't have to be an astronaut or military fighter pilot with your name on the side of a F18 to get on.

Interviewed twice and that is exactly how I would describe it.

How many internals?

Me too, Ive done it twice and would give my first born for a career there. With the word on the street that the process is being overhauled and the upcoming vacancy bid looking quite small, will they spin up the machine again or pull from the existing pool? Thanks!

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Gonna try again if given the opportunity. :)

Every regional CA and FO I meet either through jumpseat or work says they are holding out for Delta. One guy actually told me that he was varsity in high school and he wasn't going to JV now. He was referring to United and AA. Said he wouldn't even consider Hawaiian. That's how I'm gonna get into HAL. Could there actually be room for everyone at Delta?:). I plan on j-seating out to HI LOTS this fall. Peace

Dal/Ual etc. is the right move if they don't want to live in Hawaii or have a long commute. The contracts are also superior at the big legacies imo.

brace yourselves........ 18 new hires between now and end of 2015..

What's the retirement number like? Also what percentage of people commute?

we're losing 5-10 A year... abysmal... Spikes up to 20+ in 2023 and onward

1/3 or so commute.... some from neighbor islands but most from West coast... some as far as Atlanta or New Hampshire

It's actually 18 new hires through April 2015. I am sure there will be more hiring next year, albeit not a huge wave again until the NEO's show up in 2017.

Not sure I'm buying any huge wave for the 320's. We are parking 767's by 2020 and the 320's will replicate/replace a lot of interisland flying in both island to island as well as west coast to neighbor island direct flying.

The 350's are gone as are any possible new routes to Europe or deep into Asia.

No, I think any boom has already happened between 2009 and 2012

Growth from here on out will be slower. The 330 NEOs delivery was stretched out two more years, so while there will be new airplanes they will add growth incrementally as 76s are retired, and as someone else already pointed out, the 321 NEOs will have an impact on interisland flying. That said, they still talk of 1000 pilots someday, and I don't know of anyone who isn't happy at HAL. With 600 guys on the list though, they may have already hired their last captain for many years to come.

Add to this dozens of 30 something year old captains, 40 something year old captains in the 150-250 seniority range, and at best a new hire today in their 30's will not see widebody captain for two decades or more.

Hard to say...but 12 to 15 years seems like a normal upgrade for legacy carriers, and I think that's as good a guess as any...it'll be every bit of that. The bigger question is what will the company look like 10 or 15 years from now?

I don't think they're all as bad as that. We have an unusually young group here, due to the fact that we hired very young and inexperienced pilots back in the 90's.. the same time other's were requiring 1000+ hours of 121 PIC to apply ... when I started class at AA in 2001, the average age was 35, and I was the 2nd youngest at 28.. contrast that with the guy we were hiring back then who were fresh off the south ramp and barely able to hold an ATP..

Add to this the fact that we grew substantially from 2008 thru 2012 and added a lot of younger pilots... The closest thing to us might be DAL or Continental who added a few pilots, but others like AA haven't hired in over a decade and many of their FO's are in their late 40's and early 50's..

No, we're not your daddy's legacy airline... we've got some YOUNG people here..

Upgrade at DAL at some bases is as low as 8 years based on the last info I got from a friend, and some others like USAir are well below 5..

Combined AA/USAir might be more complex but with us only have the one base, we're not quite likely to offer "junior bases" and "Senior bases" like the others.

My crystal ball is IFR.

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At least you have a crystal ball

I'm going to go out on a limb... But chasing an upgrade at a Legacy carrier:confused:

This ain't the regionals, and things change.... I'm hearing talk of things that may or may not happen 10-15 years from now.. Really.. Have we not learned anything over the previous13 years?

Like someone said.... For the most part everyone is happy at Hawaiian.. ( I could be doing LGA to GSO in a beat up Md 88 instead of long haul international). To each his own, but complaining that our upgrade isn't like an 8 yr upgrade at Delta....:cool: (Which could change at Delta at any time..)

To anyone who feels they were lied to about upgrade times when they signed on at Hawaiian. Trust me, just about every pilot in aviation has the same story. Hell, my last career ( read: non regional six figure$$)job I should have been upgrading at the same time I was getting furloughed..

I'd rather be slinging gear at Hawaiian with our pilot group than sitting in the cockpit of some of these other Legacies with their astronaut ( every flight is a shuttle mission) mentalities.