Couldn't really tell you where previous Phase I/II interviewees stand.. My guess would be they will take any near term new hires from those that already are in the "pool" of applicants that interviewed. They did that with our latest 2 classes.. (probably more cost effective than re-doing a whole interview process and sorting through applications?)


I would guess when the NEO's arrive there will be a "re-opening" of the online application window..

I don't know what the staffing plan is for 117. What they did for Jan and Feb was to increase the min line values from 75 to 80 hrs. and increased the max line value from 90 to 95.. Basically the more senior guys who normally get 85-90 hrs a month are now getting 90+... but at the expense of their typical "senior" # of days off.... Same amount of work with less man power.

That forced nearly 25+% into reserve for most categories.. (CPT and FO).. Instead of having the typical 18-20 FO reserves there are now 27 or more on the 767 side. There are guys who have had lines for 1.5 years sitting reserve for the time being. I am starting my third straight month of reserve in February.. Can hardly remember the last time I touched a control column? Maybe beginning of December? I've had 2 RO trips so those don't count.. I'm pretty close to not getting my 3 landings in the past 90.

Hopefully they stop flexing the line values up.. I like getting paid to sit home. Unfortunately I'm not set financially yet to not need the extra cash a line provides.

Hang in there.

*Quite! Fingers crossed they call before they flush the pool!

KingAirFun, many many thanks for taking the time to write such an insightful reply, your selflessness is much appreciated! Higher power willing, my ass will have a Mistress in the Pualani; my wife knows how bad I want her......thanks!

as per our sched committee chairman, he says we are hiring 36 more in 2014 based on his conversation with company. Likely a new app window will result, and a bid was/is due in Jan, so that may be the point at which the vacancies show.

I do know that they're still getting the last batch of new-hires trained as I've yet to see any of them (now 2+ months later) show up on a schedule.

Anytime....

I think a a vast majority who wants to work here will eventually get a great chance to do so. Just takes time and luck sometimes (in my case luck was on my side)

Just remember that I'm still a junior guy who doesn't know a single guy higher up the hiring food chain. Just going on what I hear on the road and my perspective. I could be totally off.... But I do know that after a decade plus in the business and 2 furloughs later, this is one time I feel pretty good about my chances of survival.

Hey Cat.. any idea how long they may keep this flex up bid going? I know they're limited to six adjustments per year... Just hoping it's not 6 in a row.. Seems a little bit of over kill at the moment based on how little we seem to get used on reserve.

I haven't been to HNL in nearly a month.. How is the schedule holding up with 117? Any major hiccups besides guys not remembering when they were supposed to work!!!

Thank you CATIII, I appreciate the info. 36 makes it even tougher if they re-open a window versus pull from the current pool. Well, I want it bad enough, I'm buckled in for the ride....

Anyone know the hiring manager, or who we can address the cover letter to when they do open the window?

For what it's worth if any anybody is looking to get back to the islands ASAP, Empire air is currently hiring ATR 42 street captains for "Ohana by Hawaiian"

I applied and have decided to turn it down. Empire is only paying Captains 46k in HNL! Thats unliveable, and no stipend to assit with COLA!

Yea same with me for the same reason... Might be a decent option for someone already living in the islands looking..

Don't count on Ohana opening the door to Hawaiian. Not sure if it would help or not, just saying don't expect any carry over.

Might help you for networkings sake.... But I wouldn't want to be stuck there making 46k.....

Back to my question of does anyone know the HR person we can address a cover letter to?

Check out this page, not a specific name for HR but it does have a lot of useful info. I know for some of my other cover letters this is where I found the right name for chief pilots and personnel managers. Good luck!

Hawaiian Airlines - PILOT CAREER CENTER

Did a relatively short call to AUK recently which was a bit of a fiasco due to 117, but nevertheless legal (surprisingly) considering it resulted in a 18 hour duty day. Otherwise no major issues that I heard. We were way way way more prepared than a lot of other airlines like Allegiant and Spirit.

The 36 is supposedly only due to 117' we also have a few retirements so who knows what the total will be..

As for flex, not sure tbh, I'm a reserve bidder for ease of commuting at my juniority so I don't pay much attention to bid lines.

Thanks,

Yeah I vowed to always bid reserve in Decembers to not miss Christmas with the kids. Unfortunately didn't see the flex coming and being forced back on reserve.... Which is not a bad thing. For me it's like getting paid to be at home 25 days a month or so.... Just not as good on the bank account.

Any news on the vacancy bid that was due in Jan?

apparently delayed.... no news on our end.

Thanks for the reply!! Hopefully no news is good news.

I think they're still backed up on training... seems these latest new A330 FO's have been in training 3 months now.

Are they still looking at flushing us Stage II/Stage III Hopeful Poolies???

There is nothing official on how they'll hire the next group yet.. only rumor, which is "a new app window".

Bump....

Any news on the next window opening for HA to accept applications?

Rumored to be last month. Obviously not. On a positive note, they're selecting pilots to conduct interviews. Not sure what time line that puts a new window on, but seems promising.

Thanks. My wife and I are in Kailua for a week or so visiting friends. I thought about dropping in with a copy of my paper resume, mostly to let the good people at Hawaiian know that I am still interested in the job.

Probably can't hurt but I'm told almost for certain they are not hiring prior to the window opening again and they'll probably throw out everything they have at that point.

Anyone on here that is a Hawaiian pilot that can give my wife and I some incite?

I'm curious how difficult the schedules are to commute inter-island? My wife has a very good opportunity to work on the big island and use her masters degree in history. She also enjoys the big island the most, so it's a real win-win for her. I understand the airbus and 767 would be commutable, but how are the schedules on the 717?

Thanks.

As a junior pilot, it's a bit miserable.. I did it for a year, but I couldn't see doing it for long... The problem is our days off under this CBA with our crap rigs are 12 for the most part until you get a ways up the list... There are a few guys commuting inter-island and a few more from the mainland and making it work... all of them are a bit more senior in their seat tho.. but for a multitude of reasons, inter-island is ideal for Oahu residence... Once you make some seniority however, it's all good... 16-18 days off and bid your work days in blocks of 4-5.. Sadly, at HAL, seniority doen't happen very fast..

Thanks for the info. Can you trip trade, swap, or drop trips to enhance your schedule each month?

Trip trading/dropping is not easy right now, can't rely on it to make your schedule work. You will need some kind of crashpad on Oahu if you live on the Big Island and are junior interisland. The earliest flights leave Honolulu around 5 am and the last flights arrive after 11 pm. You could try Aloha freighters to travel outside those times. but I'm not sure how reliable that would be. Most of the widebody trips leave between noon and five and arrive around the same time making commuting easier.

there are bottom feeder regionals like Mesa that have automated trip trading systems... our very own Flight Attendants have it.. but this pilot's union has put up with a system where you call in to scheduling, pray someone actually answers the phone, and then bother an already burdened scheduler with the complexity of a trip trade...

Failed negotiation on our end? maybe...

I am told this is about to change, and fingers are crossed.. but I've been hearing it since I got here 2 years ago...

Thanks for all the info, ya'll are extremely helpful….While we're on the subject of scheduling: Is there much open time or premium trips that are available for those that want it or are senior? In other words for those that want to fly is there money to be made? and for those that don't, is it pretty feasible to bid min flying and chill?

Hawaiian depends on overtime and double time to operate... you kidding me? these guys make Continental pilots look like slackers here..

I'm hoping for the ability to down bid to a 65 hour line holder for our next contract, but even mention of it gets some people's panties in a knot... guy here pride themselves on 95 hour lines (flight hours)..

Wow, thats pretty interesting. If these guys are blocking 95 hrs are they getting much soft pay on top of that?…. For those of us that don't want to fly, what sort of hours are the average lines being built to? Again thanks so much for the info!

Like I said, the company tends to run lean... and a lot of the pilots like it that way (at least the vocal minority).. Crew planning will "Flex" lines up to 80 hours min sometimes. The contract says they're limited to 6 months of 12, but I swear they've done it more in the past calendar year. The typical lines ar 8x hours, and many opt to fly over 90... 90 is the limit for pay, but they bank the rest of the hours for a month where they might not fly as much or have training. BTW, our training months here are also a disaster... worse I've seen in 6 different airlines/jobs..

There's a lot for us to fix in the next CBA, we have a motivated negotiation team (though I'd rather see us get a professional negotiator). The good news is most of us aren't happy with the status quo, and many of us see what DAL, UAL and AA are doing, although AK did not help us much with their last CBA.. but remember this is also one of a few ALPA airlines where guys were flying overtime while their brothers were on the street furloughed.. so the culture here has to change, it's quite selfish and somewhat dysfunctional for such a smallish pilot group, and with the influx of a lot of us newer pilots and some of the Aloha guys it likely will change for the better... Rigs, pay, etc...

Average lines are built to about 80-85 hours. If you're trying to fly min hours then you're going to fly more than 18 days(max days on unless you waive it). Junior pilots don't have access to the trips that are required to make a line min hours. The junior trips are the 3-day west coast trips. These trips are around 11-12 hours each. 18 days of flying these trips would only get you up to approximately 70 hours. You would actually have to waive days off in order to get a line. You will have to get some seniority to get some of the higher credit trips mixed into your line just to fly ~75 in 18 days.

As a junior pilot, you either waive days off (up to 3) to get a bid line or you go on 18 days of reserve.

If you want min days on, that takes even more seniority because you need a line with mostly higher credit trips to start bringing down your days on.

While Hawaiian is an extremely easy airline to work for... IE: noonish shows, gone 3 days and done by noonish day 3.... There is a lot to be desired from a schedule standpoint..

Trip trading/open time...... Done primarily over the phone.. When you can get a hold of someone that is (not the schedulers fault, just understaffed etc). Problem I run into regularly is it seems there is only 1 person who makes a majority of the decisions.. everything seems to be on hold until that person is able to look at it.. Therefore, trip pops up you want but it's the weekend..Good Luck!

On top of that the company is run pretty tightly. In a given month depending on a/c and seat, there may be a few trips that come available.. I'm talking 3-4 open trips the whole month. Sometimes more, but in my seat and a/c open trips are few and far between.. And finding a trip that doesn't overlap a normal trip is difficult... The way our trips are, you can't just pick up an out and back for a few hours. It'll have to be a whole 3 day trip.

Like some here said, a rather outdated system. Most regionals have easier methods for adjusting schedules....

And it is very true that if you're a junior guy you'll do West Coast trips that require giving up days off to build a line. Makes me wonder how they will be able to make the NEO's work?

But on the other hand, you will be a newhire going directly into a widebody, and most get a line very quickly compared to other airlines where you'll be heading to a E190 or 737 on reserve for the foreseable future.

Also, if you do bid reserve or get stuck on reserve, expect to fly very little compared to other airlines... So you'll get 75 hrs to hang out(or live) in Hawaii..

Alot needs to be tweaked in the next contract. My number 1 priority is the min daily credit. It'll get us some more days off and the ability to build a line easier.


Fun company to work for, the work load is very easy, and and enjoyable atmosphere. Some things make ya scratch you head, but hopefully they get improved upon in this next CBA...

Thank you to ALL for the above/previous information, it paints a clearer picture! Now I just hope the third time back for an interview is the charm! Im not gettin' any younger and I'd dontate my first born to be a member of the Ohana. And not the one with ATR's. ;P

Hey guys. I was told that if you live in HI, you are pretty much guaranteed an interview? What about the peeps who live Stateside: do they stand a chance? Do you think with all the forthcoming legacy hiring it might be easier to walk into the niche carriers like Hawaiian? If you could choose between Hawaiian, JetBlue, spirit or Allegiant, which would you choose? They seem fairly consistent as a career with Hawaiian being somewhat of an outlier because of the location factor. I always thought it might be kinda fun to live in HI. I'm just trying to decide on where to aim my sights. Thanks.

Hawaiian is a "Legacy" airline.... maybe 1/3 of the pilots here live on the "mainland" .. Hawai is "Stateside" btw.

How can you put us in the same sentence as Allegiant?

Don't bother to apply...