dojetdriver

I see. I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about a CAL new hire class here. I about shart myself with the 400 tt thing.

calcapt

Remember that "most qualified" does not equate directly to hours in a logbook. A pilot with a pleasant personality and experience in 121 ops might be seen as more qualified than another pilot that is not quite so pleasant and has all Flight Instruction or 135 hours despite having logged more hours. Once the minimums are met, the screening process tries to find the person who would best fit into the company climate. Knowing somebody doesn't hurt either!

Speedbird34

I believe affirmative action is a by-product of racism and slavery. In an equal world it would not be needed. Sadly America is not an equal world. Just as recent as the sixties blacks were not allowed to use the same restrooms as whites. They definitely did not get the same kind of education. Without affirmative action very few black persons would have made into the US military academy. You would not have some of the excellent officers you have today.
Motivation is very important for the development of races. In America today the whites are very much as a group ahead of everyone else. They have worked very hard to get there and it is mostly deserved. In the process of building this great country called America and establishing a worldwide standard of fairness and forgiveness for the crimes of slavery. We need to motivate minorities. As a black kid I could dream of becoming a Pilot because my uncle was a pilot, my father was a doctor, my mother graduated from an Ivy League university. I am different from a kid who was born to crack head aged 14 yrs old with no knowledge of who his father is. A very hostile environment to grow up in. that kid needs affirmative action to give him a chance. Give him the environment in which he may get to meet white kids and maybe visit their homes and learn some of the good values which most of them are been raised with.
Affirmative action is not something that should exist forever. It is temporary but it is needed as of today in very small doses. It does not help many blacks get airline jobs. It may get you an interview but you better be qualified or you do not get hired.

The white guy has a better network of friends in the airline to act as referees for getting a job. People who can guide him on how to better present his qualifications. The black guy most of the time does not have that network. If he does the network is going to be mostly white or blacks that have been put in position of power by whites. This country is a white controlled country and the whites that encourage inclusiveness are those who have help make this place the great nation it is.
Minorities also have buying power, which companies have to recognize; I want to see black pilots fly airplanes I buy tickets on. I want to see black managers in companies I buy products. I want my children to see role models in good positions that have their same skin color so they can believe they can get there.
That is why I a member of organization of black Pilots and I so strongly support their youth programs. My friend seeing makes you believe and affirmative action will one day result in an end to affirmative action.
I also strongly disagree that affirmative action is responsible for white males not getting airline jobs. There are just not that many blacks in the business. My company has only one black female pilot. Who is quite qualified for the job? I have always had way more experience than required to get a job. Always being qualified. So people lets try to be understanding and sympathetic to those who are underprivileged. It is the America way.

HotMamaPilot

blah blah blah blah blah......aa is racist. The buck needs to stop. it doesn't matter what's happend in the past

calcapt

First of all, I am not your friend so don't make any blanket assumptions. Affirmative action was, and is, a sorry program to right the wrongs of history. It doesn't work and as a minority I would be ashamed to be part of it. I have never owned, nor have I ever known anyone who has owned slaves. Our generation has had this ill devised program shoved down our throats for the deeds of stupid plantation owners that lived long before most of us were even born. I don't need to motivate any minorities. If you want to hang with the homies and sit on your $ss, you will be rewarded with what that brings. If, on the other hand, you want to get your $ss out of bed and learn a trade or go to school, you then will reep the rewards of doing so. Please don't get confused by thinking it is my obligation to come knock on someone's door and teach them the way of truth and light. The kid doesn't "need affirmative action to give him a chance", he needs parents who will teach him about life and people in his life who give a $hit. A white controlled country? This white controlled country is the same one who lets people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Rev. Louis Ferrakhan on national television on a regular basis to spew their messages of division and hatred. Your writings in this post are the height of hypocrisy when it comes to racism. Let me write your very words only substituting my race for yours and please sir, tell me how long it would be before you and your select member organizations label me as a racist:

"I want to see white pilots fly airplanes I buy tickets on"

"I want to see white managers in companies I buy products"

"I want my children to see role models in good positions that have their same skin color so they can believe they can get there.

"That is why I a member of organization of White Pilots"......

This is just your words, how about other obvious examples:

* Miss White America
* White Congressional Caucus
* United White College Fund
* National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)

I could go on and on and on. You somehow believe that your view of color differences are perfectly acceptable while anyone on the other side is labeled a racist and other hateful things. Racism hurts both ways and until you begin to see the world as people, rather than your people, it will be difficult to make progress. If I were a minority I would be ashamed and embarrased to read what you wrote here. I applaud you for working hard to become a pilot, but your attitude of entitlement, and having others carry the load and responsibility for those who don't have the will or ambition to get their $ss out of bed is discraceful. Your mis-guided thoughts here are the very reason many racial integration problems still exist. Until you see yourself as equal, and not entitled, it will be difficult for others to do the same. And let me point out that the American way belongs to us all, not just you and the NAACP.

HotMamaPilot

Amen calcapt. The double standard must end and we must end such hypocritical organizations. BTW, speed bird. Why don't you get rid of that stupid monarch system before you start trying to stick your nose in the usa's affairs.

Speedbird34

Fellows it is because people have different opinions that we have a democracy. I really do not expect you to ever understand people like me. I do not even care if you hate blacks or are indifferent to their plight. It is the law today that organizations that promote black development exist. I owe no apology nor do I feel your pain. I have lived in many racist countries including South Africa. Out there we had a debate over what was called the double standard. The South Africans agreed you could not control individual feelings. He had a right to hate blacks if he wants. But the law would not allow him use his hatred to create harm to other races. Most of your guys are over qualified as racist. Sadly ignorant racist because you are not even aware you are a racist. Extremely brainwashed. But that is your problem. The tide is moving in the right direction. Having an organization that promotes peaceful development of any race is okay. You have such groups for many races and groups.
The way forward is not to ignore race discussions as unnecessary and just write off history but to talk about it.
Calcapt you most likely need to spend a month living somewhere with lots of blacks like South Africa and then come back and tell me history does not matter.
As for friendship with you I have brought many like you over from the dark side. Calcapt and Hotmama Pilot are good candidates for getting a dose of black love and reality. I suggest living with blacks for a month to feel their pain and appreciate their environment.

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If anyone thinks that they should use their gender or race as an advantage then they are part of the problem, not the solution.

If minorities are hired because they are qualified then 'others' think that the minority got on because of their sex or race then the 'others' is part of the problem as well.

Makes my head spin, this is too deep.

calcapt

Against my better judgment and all common sense I will make one final post to this thread. I have no plans to move to Africa, but thanks so much for the invitation and your concern. You can keep your black love too as I don't date or hang around idiots. I try to avoid mentally deficient folks in case what they have is contagious. My next door neighbors are a wonderful black family who has clearly understood the idea of earning their way. They do, and live well for it. Additionally, they have the good fortune of having me as their neighbor. We are very close friends and our respective skin color has never factored into our friendship.

I initially thought you were a hardworking OK guy who just may be a little confused about life. After reading your latest post, I am now totally and completely convinced that you are a discredit to your race, and on top of that, you are an idiot. In fact you have just assumed the position of TOP IDIOT on this forum. In a sea of idiots, you have indeed reached the pinnacle. Save whatever garbage you may spew my way as I won't be reading it. If, as your name suggests you are British, I pity Her Majesty for having to tolerate your sorry a$$ in her country. I have wasted enough time on you...

Speedbird34

I pity your poor black neighbors. Playing around with a snake. What is the fun there?
Your opinion is worthless to me, views totally representative of you.
Africa misses nothing from your absence. I would dare say when you finally move on to answer to your maker. The world would likely be better for it. Hopefully the philosophy you have used to corrupt those around you. Would be washed away by those better than you.