24G, as embarrassed as I am to admit it I didn't meet my first black pilot until I was 16 in the restroom, of all places, of my church. He was a former Cobra gunship pilot in Vietnam. He was with Fed Ex and simply meeting him altered the course of my life. Before I met him I had no idea that blacks were even allowed to fly planes. After I met him my destiny was set.

Years back my mother tried to get a job with a major airline as a F/A and was flat out told they were not hiring Negroes. I mean just flat out told that. No, this wasn't an isolated incident. My dad was in the Navy, non-commisioned, and he experienced much of the same. These were NOT isolated incidents and it's kinda hard to argue that it WASN'T racism when the potential employer flat out tells you they don't hire Negroes. What really gets my goat is how many, many, OVER qualified minorities can apply for a position and they will not get the job. Then, the potential employer, when the EEOC decides to visit, hires a minority NOT qualified to do the job and then blames it on AA. If things had been equal all along and these more than qualified minorites had been given a fair shake like everyone else, we wouldn't be here discussing this dead-end thread. Like I said, we all have examples and we all have our own realities.

I do consider myself a Christian ... maybe not the best Christian, but a follower none the less. With that being said, I hope that I'm not appearing hypocrital because reverse racism does exist as well as racism. The beautiful thing about our country is that we are not victoms of genocide simply because of our religous beliefs or ethnic backgrounds. We can talk about these things without fear of the armed gunmen kicking in the front door. Anyway, everyone have a good day or night.

Joe

 

Thats exactly the kinds of examples I am talking about. A lot of young minority kids have no hope inthis country and they need to see examples that they can suceed in their goals. Thats what OBAP is all about.

Another point about Affirmative action. Lets say two white guys are going for a job and the employer happens to favor ne over the other lets say they were in the military together. the other guy coupl file an affirmative action complaint.

If I own a company and a gay guy comes to interview and he is fully qualified and I dont hire him because I dont like gay people, he could file an affirmative action complaint.

Thats the whole reason for AA. Its not just to hire blacks that arent qualified. But the truth of the matter ie employers hire who they feel comfortable with. If youand me like the same things or hangout at the same places, belong to the same fraternity I am more likely to hire you even if youarent the best qualified person. Thats what Affirmative action is for to combat that kind of thing.

 

Just a quick statement. I was a professional 'box thrower' at fed-ex around 94-96 or so. There were PLENTY of guys out there with NO P.I.C. Supposedly, after Fed banged up a few planes they upped the P.I.C. requirement to 500. After a few more bang-ups, they upped it to it's current 1000 P.I.C. A lot of guys at the Memphis A.N.G. were hurt by that. I was tossing boxes to survive back then, not to get an interview. When I tossed boxes for fed, all you needed was 1000 SIC. Don't take my word for it, though, ask somebody that has been there for years.

Joe

 

Let me break it down for ya, and it may not be the most PC. But that's tough, you are going to have to suck it up. Pre 9/11, I only knew of ONE black female CA, ONE. There may have been more, but I only saw one. Flying in and out of busy airports as well as small airports. Seeing plenty of crews, both regional and major on hotel vans and walking throught the airport.

When the hiring was going on at DAL, and everywhere else, a black female didn't have to make CA at a regional or at a corporate job. They didn't have to wait for CA nor suck it up on reserve for 12-18 months witha crappy QOL to hold out for DAL. One of the other majors would suck them up long before they even got there. You ask why DAL only has one black female, and that that "says something".

Thats why, you follow me now?

 

I have no reason to doubt you. It doesn't change the fact that FedEx will not waive that requirement for anybody based on race/sex. Anybody who applies there has actaully demonstrated that they have been in command of a turbine (or very heavy) recip aircraft. Unlike some other carriers.

 

I actually didnt ask why DAL only had one black female pilot. I stated they did.I never asked why.

 

I dont think any airline requires you to be a CA for a regional before you apply wit them. I know major airline pilots that never saw a regional airline

 

You didn't read all of my post, a corporate job getting turbine PIC would count. You are correct, alot of major airline pilots never saw a regional, especially alot of minorities.

Not all airline pilots were regional CA's, you are correct. Some went military. But why would a minority want to go that route, with all the uncertainty, getting shot at, ect? Oh, I forgot. The military is racist as well.

Taking full advantage of AA would get them to a major faster with less potential for harship anyway.

BTW, are you a lousy/sloppy typer or just have a poor grasp of English? Reading your posts, I hope you learn to spell before ever submitting a resume/application anywhere. With is spelled just like that, not "before you apply wit them".

Thats not a personal attack, it's advice if you want to make aviation a career.

 

I'm going to make an assumption here and believe that this is fact. Did OBAP provide this information to you?

Also, can you answer 4 seperate questions for me. Feel free to ask your OBAP mentor if need be.

1. Up until sping 2001, how many black female pilot applicants did DAL have on file?

2. Of them, how many had 1000 turbine PIC?

3. Of them, how many were actually competitive? By that, how many had atleast 2000 PIC and more than one type rating if civ and 1500-1800 if coming from a mil background?

4. How many did UAL, USAir, or American have on file?

 

Excuse me. But i do not thik the military is racist. That was very offensive. I have been inthe military for 18 years. I just returned from Iraq in JUn and I wasnt a jet jock flying over and returning to a nice Air Force base. I am an Infantry Officer. That means a ground combat soldier. I lost 9 persoanl friends oveer there so I am really not interested in your comments about the molitary.

Actually, I encourage people to go into the military to fly ( I promote the AF and the Navy) Its a great career.