How does AA/Express/Skywest/Horizon get into KASE during times with low ceilings?
01-12-2009 | 02:13 AM
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CRJ100 great answer! It was pretty sweet seeing RJ's appear out of the clouds. We needed 4200 for company OPS but the weather quickly deteriorated as we waited for passengers. It was a pretty fun approach. Thanks for taking the mystery out of it. Hope to try your approach soon.
Those of you interested should check out Gulfstream's website. During EVS (Enhanced Vision System) testing they had special authorization to go into ASE at night. They were visual the entire time via infared vision on the HUD. It has been out for a while now, but is still pretty amazing.
01-12-2009 | 10:30 AM
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Ceilings are not controlling. You can shoot the approach as long as you have the required VISIBILITY. Keep in mind that just because the ATIS is reporting 015 OVC, that doesn't mean that an aircraft couldn't gain sight of the runway environment at a higher altitude. Ceilings could be higher then reported in some areas, as WX moves/changes.
01-12-2009 | 10:35 AM
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I haven't looked at the plates in years, but I wouldn't doubt that the back says N/A for filing as an alternate. If not, I wouldn't doubt that any of the operators that go in there prevent it.
01-12-2009 | 10:58 AM
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True, and do what you have to do in an emergency. But who in their right mind would file ASE as an alternate? The approaches in there are restrictive enough as it is, after adding the Op Spec C55 criteria, it wouldn't make much sense.
I haven't looked at the plates in years, but I wouldn't doubt that the back says N/A for filing as an alternate. If not, I wouldn't doubt that any of the operators that go in there prevent it.
I haven't looked at the plates in years, but I wouldn't doubt that the back says N/A for filing as an alternate. If not, I wouldn't doubt that any of the operators that go in there prevent it.
01-12-2009 | 09:41 PM
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Another thing to keep in mind is that just because it says that its overcast at 2200 feet, it doesn't mean that its overcast at that altitude in the direction the approach path is coming from. It has to do with how ceilings are measured along the entire horizon circle. The ceiling is reported as the lowest cloud layer or layers covering at least 5/8 of the sky, and its not necessarily a continuous layer.
01-12-2009 | 11:08 PM
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We do the special LOC DME 15. It has an MDA of 8780. We need "3 miles" to be cleared. We have 5 step down fixes and cross DBL at 14000 with gear down and flaps 30. The miss is at 3.9 DME. Inside that we have a "Balked Landing" procedure. T/O of on 33 requires 1 mile and 400 ft. ceiling. We operate from 7 AM til 11 PM. Flights to DEN, ORD, LAX, SFO for the UA side and SLC and ATL for DL.
The LYNX Dash and MESA Dash only need 2 miles I believe, but our MDA is lower.
We love holding over DBL as GA and 135 guys shoot the VOR and go missed. Every min. that goes by we get paid more
Hope this helps.
The LYNX Dash and MESA Dash only need 2 miles I believe, but our MDA is lower.
We love holding over DBL as GA and 135 guys shoot the VOR and go missed. Every min. that goes by we get paid more
Hope this helps.
01-13-2009 | 12:17 AM
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When I flew up front with the Skywest pilots I thought they told me the LOC approach there allows them to go down to a 1,000'. Been a little while though, so I could be mistaken.
01-13-2009 | 04:05 AM
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We do the special LOC DME 15. It has an MDA of 8780. We need "3 miles" to be cleared. We have 5 step down fixes and cross DBL at 14000 with gear down and flaps 30. The miss is at 3.9 DME. Inside that we have a "Balked Landing" procedure. T/O of on 33 requires 1 mile and 400 ft. ceiling. We operate from 7 AM til 11 PM. Flights to DEN, ORD, LAX, SFO for the UA side and SLC and ATL for DL.
The LYNX Dash and MESA Dash only need 2 miles I believe, but our MDA is lower.
We love holding over DBL as GA and 135 guys shoot the VOR and go missed. Every min. that goes by we get paid more
Hope this helps.
The LYNX Dash and MESA Dash only need 2 miles I believe, but our MDA is lower.
We love holding over DBL as GA and 135 guys shoot the VOR and go missed. Every min. that goes by we get paid more
Hope this helps.
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