Horizon's latest TA
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Thats how I thought you guys would vote with the original TA. But the pilot group at QX didn't fail to eat the rotted baby carrot on that one so i wont hold my breath...
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See: Airline CEO Compensation
Note that no other regional CEO's are listed. But I would venture to guess that most of those guys are pulling down at least 2.7M a year.
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The problem is it isn't a guaranteed position at AS, only an interview. I might consider this if it were a flow through, but the other issue is this is only supposed to be about pay rates and now the company wants to renogotiate other sections of our contract in this TA as well, all for a guaranteed interview, which guarantees nothing.
Shortly after the buyout we had an ALPA drive and vote. The AS pilot group promised 'maybe' a joint MEC. It was clear that the AS group viewed QX as second-class citizens and would guarantee nothing. Just the slightest change in attitude from the AS group would have tipped the scales and QX would be ALPA today (not saying that would or would not be a good thing).
Despite the movement of many QX pilots/managers to AS over the years, a corporate philosophy of a 'wall of separation' between the pilot groups seems to have remained intact. Speaking from a historical perspective, I would say that anything short of a guaranteed position at AS has no value for the average QX pilot.
Last edited by Speed; 08-14-2011 at 02:10 AM.
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Note that no other regional CEO's are listed. But I would venture to guess that most of those guys are pulling down at least 2.7M a year.
Our airline is pretty small, 600 pilots and 48 airplanes. His salary was higher than the CEO's of US Airways, Airtran, Hawaiian, Southwest and JetBlue. GJ has said we need to reduce the pilot salaries to be more in line with the market average. My point is his salary seems to be quite above the market average for airline CEO's.
"Thats how I thought you guys would vote with the original TA. But the pilot group at QX didn't fail to eat the rotted baby carrot on that one so i wont hold my breath..."
I know a lot of our pilots changed their mind before the vote on the original TA,
I did and voted yes. But there were gains in that TA, there are none in this one. Already sent in my NO vote.
Our airline is pretty small, 600 pilots and 48 airplanes. His salary was higher than the CEO's of US Airways, Airtran, Hawaiian, Southwest and JetBlue. GJ has said we need to reduce the pilot salaries to be more in line with the market average. My point is his salary seems to be quite above the market average for airline CEO's.
"Thats how I thought you guys would vote with the original TA. But the pilot group at QX didn't fail to eat the rotted baby carrot on that one so i wont hold my breath..."
I know a lot of our pilots changed their mind before the vote on the original TA,
I did and voted yes. But there were gains in that TA, there are none in this one. Already sent in my NO vote.
Last edited by The Dude Abides; 08-14-2011 at 08:25 AM.
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It would make me very pleased to be proven wrong on this one. Seriously.
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I thought you guys might be interested to find out what a Q400 Captain is worth in the world market.
https://tbe.taleo.net/NA7/ats/career...S&cws=2&rid=16
Equipment Dash 8 Q-400
Base Osaka, Japan
Term 42 Months (Rated), 45 Months (Non-rated)
Training Estimated duration 5-7 months in Tokyo, Japan
Ground Training, Written Examinations, Simulator Training etc.
Accommodations provided by the company and US$45/night per diem
Compensation During Training Period
Captain US$5,327/mo
Operations Period
Captain US$6,734/mo
Living Allowance US$2,000.00/mo
Commuting Assistance US$1,000.00 or up to 7 round trip (Y Class) tickets to your home each year.
Layover Per Diem $30/night
Additional compensation Q400 Type Rated Captain $5000/YR.
Contract Completion Bonus
42 Months (Rated) $12,600
45 Months (Non-rated) $13,500
Vacation 24 days per year allocated in 2 equal periods as outlined in pilot's contract.
Insurance International Medical Insurance through Aetna Global for the Crew and the eligible dependents. HCF and Overseas Insurance for Australian Citizens.
Sick Leave Accrue 1 day per 2 full months for a maximum accrual of 12 days.
Retirement Voluntary 401K plan.
Work Schedule Expect 5 weeks duty in Japan (includes a minimum of 5 days free duty), then 12 consecutive days off. 70 hour guaranteed per month, max 100 hours in 30 days. Premium rates applied for hours in excess of 70 hours.
Travel Benefits Reduced travel rates available for Crew on Star Alliance carriers and on All Nippon Airways.
Life Insurance Basic Life Insurance
https://tbe.taleo.net/NA7/ats/career...S&cws=2&rid=16
Equipment Dash 8 Q-400
Base Osaka, Japan
Term 42 Months (Rated), 45 Months (Non-rated)
Training Estimated duration 5-7 months in Tokyo, Japan
Ground Training, Written Examinations, Simulator Training etc.
Accommodations provided by the company and US$45/night per diem
Compensation During Training Period
Captain US$5,327/mo
Operations Period
Captain US$6,734/mo
Living Allowance US$2,000.00/mo
Commuting Assistance US$1,000.00 or up to 7 round trip (Y Class) tickets to your home each year.
Layover Per Diem $30/night
Additional compensation Q400 Type Rated Captain $5000/YR.
Contract Completion Bonus
42 Months (Rated) $12,600
45 Months (Non-rated) $13,500
Vacation 24 days per year allocated in 2 equal periods as outlined in pilot's contract.
Insurance International Medical Insurance through Aetna Global for the Crew and the eligible dependents. HCF and Overseas Insurance for Australian Citizens.
Sick Leave Accrue 1 day per 2 full months for a maximum accrual of 12 days.
Retirement Voluntary 401K plan.
Work Schedule Expect 5 weeks duty in Japan (includes a minimum of 5 days free duty), then 12 consecutive days off. 70 hour guaranteed per month, max 100 hours in 30 days. Premium rates applied for hours in excess of 70 hours.
Travel Benefits Reduced travel rates available for Crew on Star Alliance carriers and on All Nippon Airways.
Life Insurance Basic Life Insurance
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