Who is stopping you from flying it? Stop monitoring, & fly.

Changing altitude in a C172 is hardly difficult, & certainly an easier then doing so in an airliner. You really can't go that high. More things must be considered in an airliner. In a C172 you won't even go near icing, where as in a airliner we operate in it everyday. Why is going around TS in an airliner any easier then in a C172? In a C172 you're moving much slower & have much more time to make a decision. You really shouldn't be operating a C172 around TS anyway.

I still don't see how flying a C172 is more difficult then flying an airliner.

Did it ever cross your mind that this paragraph is completely proving our point? Those GA accidents occurred because the pilots made POOR decisions, just like AF 447 & Colgan 3407. Airline flying is less dangerous then GA not because it's easier, but rather because it's been made more SAFE.

 

A good reason why there are many more general aviation accidents is because of the difference in decision making ability between private pilots and airline pilots. Not that private pilots are all incompetent or airline pilots are all perfect. It really comes down the level of training each receives.

An airline pilot has much more training and generally much more experience to base decisions on than private pilots. Just looking at the dispatch release before they even get on the plane, an airline pilot makes more critical decisions for one flight than private pilots do for their entire aviation lives.

There are many reasons general aviation is more dangerous. But poor decision making ability on the part of private pilots is the main one. Classic example: inadvertent IMC. They now have 178 seconds to live. Even with an autopilot. I blame that on a lack of training. Which is another poor decision point by most private pilots. They decided they don't need better training. Somehow, they will be good enough without it. They fill the NTSB database with the majority of statistics.

One of the reasons why airlines are safer than GA is because they aren't flown by private pilots. They're flown by professionals. Most of whom were also private pilots at one time but decided to get much more serious about their level of professionalism.

 

You have taken what I said and twisted it into something it is not. You are putting words in my mouth and now totally mis-quoting me. I never once said I don't ever take flying seriously. I never once questioned the validity of the profession. You can jump to these crazy conclusions if you want but I won't even bother to argue against them because you will read what I write and make crazy inferences that just aren't there.

My two simple points: flying GA is more fun than flying an airliner, a GA pilot on an average flight has to make more decisions than an airline pilot on an average flight.

 

What point is it that you are trying to prove? My only point way that a GA pilot has a lot of decisions to make - decisions that are made for airline pilots. I never said a GA pilot was a better decision maker. Just the fact that there are more decisions to make could be a reason for the level of fatalities. If you have to make more decisions you are more likely to mess one up.

I admit that the use of the word "difficult" may not have been the word I should of used. I will back track on that - it wasn't my intent to compare level of difficulty.

 

I can't imagine NTSB statistics pointing to the greater number of decisions made by a GA pilot as being a contributing factor. ...Poor decisions yes, but not the number of decisions. This might be true in the event of task saturation but that is a very specific category.

Your logic is flawed and your argument does not follow. GA can be unsafe usually to the extent that there is less training and or experience involved.

 

Is this the Horizon thread? I think I missed a waypoint

 

Oh yeah, everyone knows that the media, with their vast flying experience, always gets everything pertaining to aviation correct in their reports. Can't wait to read about another "engine stall."

Jay, dude, I'm done arguing with you. I'm clearly not the only person who disagrees with you. It's no secret we don't get along, and that's fine, because some people just don't get along. I wish it hadn't come down to you spreading blatant lies about me to other people, but that's neither here nor there. The truth is, you and I have been on the line for the same amount of time; about two months, going on three. The fact that you continue to argue this point against guys with decades more experience than us both is baffling. Perhaps you haven't had to work that hard or had much fun in your three months of part 121 flying. But maybe you should allow for the idea that you don't in fact know everything and sometimes you just might be wrong, though your attitude here is completely unsurprising to me.

 

Very well said....

It is the Pilot's who are their own worst enemies, It's PILOTS who subject people of their same breed to worst conditions of work & pay.

People don't like to work 14 hour shifts, so why do they work those & even actively bid for those?? Because they try to finish a weeks work in 3 days, so they can have 15 days or more off in one month.

Airline managements know all the weaknesses PILOTS have & they don't even have to work 1% hard to use those agains the pilot groups, the TOP 5% of the seniority do the managements work for the managements.....

A few posts ago, I posted the job for a Q400 Captain in India paying twice 2 TIMES what any regional is paying to their Captains, how ist is possible that those companies can pay their pilots so much versus US companies????

How is it possible that for the same aircraft & similar flight, the work conditions & pay structure is many times better in the developing world than in USA, where the First flight in history ever took place!!!!!!

The only thing different is pilots flying domestic or short haul sectors ( 1-2 hrs flying time) don't get 15 days off in a month

 

You may be mixing me up with someone else. I have no problem with you (I have no clue who you are) and what lies are you talking about? I have been working in aviation for 5 years. Flying 121 for 4 years - been on the line almost as long. That is why I bolded the part above, it appears you do not know the truth or have made up truths in your mind that don't exist in reality.

I am not a seasoned pro but I do count my time by the thousands - but why does that matter? I am still active in both part 121 flying and GA flying. That is what my opinion is based on. I would be willing to bet that less than 2% of airline pilots are still active in GA flying. I posted the article just because is it relevant and there are still some facts/quotes from the FAA and relevance sources. Do you discount any opinion/source of information that you do not agree with? And then make personal attacks? I was having fun in this debate but it is clearly rubbing some people in the wrong way. What gives?

 

Haha, well in the words of Jack Nicholson, don't I feel like the ****ing *******. I certainly stand corrected as I am apparently entirely mixing you up with someone else I know who has a similar screen name on JC. My apologies. I'll admit that I only was taking issue with the argument because I thought it was just another in a long string of stupid personal disagreements I've had with the guy. Sorry for any misconstrued personal attacks as they were quite misguided.