Horizon questions
11-13-2005 | 08:04 PM
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You must have been lucky enough to have successfully gotten out of there. Everyone else that I know are clawing at the walls to get out. Seven Years to upgrade is a dead end. Then you can enjoy another two years on reserve as a new dash 8 Captain. By the time you have enough time to move on you are old and don't care anymore. Young kids are captioning brand new CRJ's all over the south and Horizon has 50 year old FO's. Not good.
SkyHigh
You must have been lucky enough to have successfully gotten out of there. Everyone else that I know are clawing at the walls to get out. Seven Years to upgrade is a dead end. Then you can enjoy another two years on reserve as a new dash 8 Captain. By the time you have enough time to move on you are old and don't care anymore. Young kids are captioning brand new CRJ's all over the south and Horizon has 50 year old FO's. Not good.
SkyHigh
11-20-2005 | 08:05 AM
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Fooker28
Hey man,
If that would make you feel validated that it is possible for someone to upgrade a few months earlier then lets say 6 years. No matter how you slice it it is a long time. By the time you are off reserve and have enough PIC time to apply to someplace good you will have ten years invested in the place. It is a dead end.
SkyHigh
If that would make you feel validated that it is possible for someone to upgrade a few months earlier then lets say 6 years. No matter how you slice it it is a long time. By the time you are off reserve and have enough PIC time to apply to someplace good you will have ten years invested in the place. It is a dead end.
SkyHigh
11-27-2005 | 12:14 AM
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Well, let's see. You say Horizon only attracts the young and hungry (not true, but we'll play by your rules).
So, out of college, age 22, flight instructor for 2 years, hired by Horizon with maybe 1500 hrs at age 24. Six years to upgrade. Age 30. 1.2 years to get 1000 PIC turbine Part 121. Age 31.2 Salary around $65K. 1.5 yrs to get on with a major. Hired by a major at 32.7 yrs of age. Doesn't sound like a death sentence to me. Oh, and I erred on to your pessimistic favor at nearly every point.
Just out of curiosity, what work rules were you under when you were at Horizon? I think it was the FCPH and NOT THE CURRENT CONTRACT, WHICH MAKES YOU COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE ABOUT OUR CURRENT WORK CONDITIONS.
Sweat shop. You've never even had dirty fingernails, have you, "SkyHigh"?
If you'd like to dispute my facts or statements, I would love to hear it.
So, out of college, age 22, flight instructor for 2 years, hired by Horizon with maybe 1500 hrs at age 24. Six years to upgrade. Age 30. 1.2 years to get 1000 PIC turbine Part 121. Age 31.2 Salary around $65K. 1.5 yrs to get on with a major. Hired by a major at 32.7 yrs of age. Doesn't sound like a death sentence to me. Oh, and I erred on to your pessimistic favor at nearly every point.
Just out of curiosity, what work rules were you under when you were at Horizon? I think it was the FCPH and NOT THE CURRENT CONTRACT, WHICH MAKES YOU COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE ABOUT OUR CURRENT WORK CONDITIONS.
Sweat shop. You've never even had dirty fingernails, have you, "SkyHigh"?
If you'd like to dispute my facts or statements, I would love to hear it.
11-27-2005 | 07:23 AM
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Fokker28
Fokker28,
You claim to have been 28 when you got hired. That puts you at 38 before you will be able to even apply to a good company. Even if you get an interview it will be difficult to explain why it took you until you were 40 to get to where others are at 30. Most who are not from UND are not hired until they are much older than 22. Back when I got hired there I was the youngest at 30 and had the lowest time with 3800 hours.
As for pay my friends who still work there don't sugar coat it as well as you do. I am sure that you are throwing per diem, overtime and every dry cleaning reimbursement check into that number in order to get there. Even at your suggested 65K it is still an embarrassment when you step back and compare the decade or more of efforts and sacrifice it takes to get to the same pay that a third year plumber makes. Let's not forget the 150K or so in college and training expenses either.
Like I mentioned in another post if you see the same facts as I but have a different understanding of it then what can I say other than best of luck? Someone has to do it.
SkyHigh
You claim to have been 28 when you got hired. That puts you at 38 before you will be able to even apply to a good company. Even if you get an interview it will be difficult to explain why it took you until you were 40 to get to where others are at 30. Most who are not from UND are not hired until they are much older than 22. Back when I got hired there I was the youngest at 30 and had the lowest time with 3800 hours.
As for pay my friends who still work there don't sugar coat it as well as you do. I am sure that you are throwing per diem, overtime and every dry cleaning reimbursement check into that number in order to get there. Even at your suggested 65K it is still an embarrassment when you step back and compare the decade or more of efforts and sacrifice it takes to get to the same pay that a third year plumber makes. Let's not forget the 150K or so in college and training expenses either.
Like I mentioned in another post if you see the same facts as I but have a different understanding of it then what can I say other than best of luck? Someone has to do it.
SkyHigh
11-30-2005 | 08:59 PM
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I applied to Horizon a month ago by fax and followed it up by mail a week later. I got 2100 total with 600 multi and 9 months 135 exp. 1500 hours in the pacific NW. 141 flight college and ERAU degree. I figured they would have responded by now, but havnt heard a thing. Can anyone tell me when/if I should expect to hear or what I did wrong? Maybe a tip on how to get them to respond? I really want to work there.
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