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Old 07-09-2018, 11:44 AM
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This is troubling news for a potential recruit. Its like AAG wants to make Horizon a troubled place to work. This is not good for either company or its customers.

And then forcing you into direct competition with Skywest, the destroyer of regionals, while your still in the growing pains of adding a new air frame is just mean. I smell scapegoat.

Tell me they are at least honoring the 30% flow.
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Old 07-09-2018, 11:55 AM
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Tell me they are at least honoring the 30% flow.
When you BUY ANOTHER AIRLINE and then CLOSE ONE OF THEIR MAIN BASES and abandon those routes there isn't actually a whole lot of hiring going on. At least not until enough of the junior guys get fed up and leave to real legacies which, admittedly, does appear to be happening.
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Tell me they are at least honoring the 30% flow.
Honor and Alaska Air Group are contradictory concepts.
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp View Post
This is troubling news for a potential recruit. Its like AAG wants to make Horizon a troubled place to work. This is not good for either company or its customers.

And then forcing you into direct competition with Skywest, the destroyer of regionals, while your still in the growing pains of adding a new air frame is just mean. I smell scapegoat.

Tell me they are at least honoring the 30% flow.
Alaska isn't hiring anymore. I don't think anyone from the pathways program has been taken yet, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:29 PM
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So the blurb on apc about them hiring 400 pilots this year is not true? I thought hiring 20% of your seniority list in one year sounded a bit far fetched.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:30 PM
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So the blurb on apc about them hiring 400 pilots this year is not true? I thought hiring 20% of your seniority list in one year sounded a bit far fetched.
Kind of depends on what your definition of 'hiring' is. Since they added 834 Virgin America pilots to their certificate in Jan, you could say they more than doubled that number. And since they closed down Virgins JFK base and sold those gates to SWA, there certainly doesn't seem to be any real shortage of pilots at Alaska - certainly not any shortage enough for them to need to bring up Q400 guys from Horizon.

Besides, all their training facilities are going to be tied up teaching Boeing to Airbus guys and vice versa, for awhile anyway....
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:00 PM
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Kind of depends on what your definition of 'hiring' is. Since they added 834 Virgin America pilots to their certificate in Jan, you could say they more than doubled that number. And since they closed down Virgins JFK base and sold those gates to SWA, there certainly doesn't seem to be any real shortage of pilots at Alaska - certainly not any shortage enough for them to need to bring up Q400 guys from Horizon.

Besides, all their training facilities are going to be tied up teaching Boeing to Airbus guys and vice versa, for awhile anyway....
Have they merged seniority lists? Joint CBA? Because the equipment and unionized pilots will have to be operated independently until then. Tho the company can combine pretty much all the non-unionized workforce right away. It seems most airlines are happy to do this for years in a petty attempt to divide the employee groups and use their collective frustrations to pull sham gimmicks.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:17 PM
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Have they merged seniority lists? Joint CBA? Because the equipment and unionized pilots will have to be operated independently until then. Tho the company can combine pretty much all the non-unionized workforce right away. It seems most airlines are happy to do this for years in a petty attempt to divide the employee groups and use their collective frustrations to pull sham gimmicks.
The unions have to merge the seniority lists, not the management, and that hadn't occurred yet because it's a real cat fight and they are in arbitration. They do have a single CBA and are operating under the same certificate. Have been since about January. So no, they aren't being operated independently.
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The unions have to merge the seniority lists, not the management, and that hadn't occurred yet because it's a real cat fight and they are in arbitration. They do have a single CBA and are operating under the same certificate. Have been since about January. So no, they aren't being operated independently.
This is a surprisingly difficult merger to get current facts on. So if they have a joint CBA then I believe they still need to merge the seniority lists before they can cross train aircraft. But yeah, I was thinking the wrong direction about the 400 apc has AS hiring as they could go to either side now. (or could be outdated info left to provide the illusion of movement to outsiders like me)

Having lived through a contentious airline merger already, I can tell you it aint fun.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:45 PM
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Alaska isn't hiring anymore. I don't think anyone from the pathways program has been taken yet, correct me if I'm wrong.
a dozen pilots have not been hired from the old program, No one has been hired from the Pathway Program and Alaska has stopped hiring pilots.
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